Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
JFK's Foreign Policy: A Motive for Murder
#11
Jim, Do you think this has a chance of impacting the scholarly community? My guess, of course, is no. Thanks. This was a very moving slide show!
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Reply
#12
That is a very interesting and relevant question.

I already have a publisher who saw it online and wants me to write a book about it.

My opinion is that the two books, by Rakove and Muehlenbeck are so well documented that people new to the field will take them and run with them.

The problem is that the Kennedy presidency field has become so politicized that people like Dallek and Reeves will do what they can to blunt the power of these new discoveries. Plus, Sorenson and Schlesinger are dead. This new work by these men, essentially proves out the portrait that Schlesinger and Sorenson drew. Except now its much more detailed and referenced.

But to show you how dishonest Dallek is, in his two books on JFK, which come to over 1,100 pages of mostly pulp, he could not find the space or time to mention Gullion's name! That is about as bad as it gets in a biography. And Reeves, I think, is even worse. But that shows you how censored their work was. THerefore, the NY TImes likes them.

But really, I talked to Rakove and he enjoyed doing his book so much, he said he might do a sequel. The guy has a great pedigree: Stanford Lecturer and Ph. D. But let me add, isn't it interesting that everyone inside the community missed all this important material for so long? And it took people from outside the research field to discover it?

But the reason I have been at this now for so many months is that I do not want it to disappear. To me its just too important. In fact, I think its crucial.
Reply
#13
Quote:But let me add, isn't it interesting that everyone inside the community missed all this important material for so long? And it took people from outside the research field to discover it?

When the wall of sound of The Mighty Wurlitzer is filling the concert, other notes just don't exist.

On JFKU and JFK's 'turning to peace,' I have thought that phrase was out tune with some of Douglass' data points. I think he paints a picture of a young President becoming emboldened to become more public with his already formed ideas. Maybe he should have used phrases like 'publicly embracing peace' or something different from 'turning toward peace.'
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Reply
#14
But Lauren, the whole idea of the critical community is that we are not supposed to buy the might Wurlitzer.

But in this case, because of Oswald's profile and the whole FPCC thing in New Orleans, that is what people ran with: both as a perpetrator, and with the alternative of Oswald as patsy.

I agree that the Douglass book does make some hints of Kennedy's early exposure, and he does mention Gullion. But I think even there, Jim concentrated too much on Vietnam and Cuba. I mean he did a very good job on it, really excellent work and I commended him for it. But I don't look at JFK like that anymore.

ANd as good as the American University speech was, I think the 1957 Algeria speech is better.
Reply
#15
I'm finally getting around to looking at this. It's very good.

You mention Harold Weisberg in one of the early slides. He worked for many years on a book called Tiger to Ride, about JFK's foreign policy. It was never finished for various reasons. There are a lot of research materials related to it at his Hood University site. Howard Roffman was also working on some book about JFK & Vietnam that was never finished (according to correspondence between him and Weisberg).

In some of his unpublished manuscripts, Weisberg basically states that JFK was probably killed by people in the military who didn't like his foreign policy.
Reply
#16
^ Using the CIA as a covert arm of military power domestically and filtering up to the sponsors via the Drago/Evica model.
Reply
#17
The military top brass - even in America - are not at the top of the power pyramid. They were high level Facilitators, in my opinion, but not Sponsors.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
Reply
#18
That is really interesting about Weisberg and Tiger to Ride.

Can you link to it?

I didn't know about Roffman and Vietnam either. That guy was really good.

Did you know Harold made Howard cut out about a hundred pages from Presumed Guillty about the autopsy evidence?

He wanted it for Post Mortem. Which is really bad because that is the only JFK assassination book I ever read that I could not finish because it was so badly written.

OTOH, Howard was a good writer. Its a shame, really.
Reply
#19
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:That is really interesting about Weisberg and Tiger to Ride.

Can you link to it?

I didn't know about Roffman and Vietnam either. That guy was really good.

Did you know Harold made Howard cut out about a hundred pages from Presumed Guillty about the autopsy evidence?

He wanted it for Post Mortem. Which is really bad because that is the only JFK assassination book I ever read that I could not finish because it was so badly written.

OTOH, Howard was a good writer. Its a shame, really.


I didn't know that about Presumed Guilty/Post Mortem. Roffman's book is one of my favorites.
Weisberg's later books are badly written. His unpublished manuscripts are painful to wade through, but I've found a few interesting nuggets in them.

The materials are scattered around the site, and it's impossible to link to folders, but here is where you can find most of it:

http://jfk.hood.edu/index.shtml?browse.php

Click on the COLLECTION folder, then WEISBERG SUBJECT INDEX FILES, then T DISK, and you'll see a bunch of different folders called TIGER TO RIDE.

You can find Roffman's correspondence in the R DISK folder.
Reply
#20
Hi,

Using Chrome browser for Linux v 40.0.2214.111 (64-bit) on an Ubuntu Linux v 14.10 (64-bit) desktop machine, the fascinating 2014 presentation displays quickly and apparently perfectly with one anomaly:

On panel 26, the heading "How important was Congo to the Power Elite?" has no leading space between it and the paragraph beneath it, starting, "Jim Lesar has seen...." Everything else appears to be displayed perfectly.

More importantly, outside of Jim Di's work, the foreign policy positions of Mr. Kennedy beyond Cuba and the USSR had been completely unknown to me and no doubt others interested in the motives for the political assassinations of the 1960s. Without this often overlooked information, we were forced to read the tea leaves of Mr. Kennedy's better known public statements, which did seem to show change from his earlier statements to, for example, the American University speech.

Megathanks for your efforts to correct the public record yet again!

Jim
HarveyandLee.net

Chief Justice Earl Warren: "Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security." – 1964
CIA accountant James B. Wilcott: Oswald received "a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work." – 1978
HSCA counsel Robert Tanenbaum: “Lee Harvey Oswald was a contract employee of the CIA and the FBI.” – 1996
Reply


Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Edmund Gullion, JFK and the Shaping of a Foreign Policy in Vietnam Jim DiEugenio 1 6,995 14-05-2018, 06:00 PM
Last Post: Alan Ford
  JFK Foreign Policy (on Twitter, at least) Mark Russo 2 4,063 18-02-2018, 08:55 PM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
  Jack Ruby, Oswald, and the Murder of JFK Jim Hargrove 0 3,995 06-10-2016, 02:40 AM
Last Post: Jim Hargrove
  McBride vs Myers on the Tippit Murder Jim DiEugenio 2 2,938 31-08-2016, 05:44 AM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
  Two Dallas cops were involved in the pre-arranged murder of J.D. Tippit .... Jim Hargrove 36 21,615 05-07-2016, 05:22 AM
Last Post: Albert Doyle
  Bill Simpich: How the Warren Commission Covered Up JFK's Murder Alan Dale 28 16,163 10-07-2015, 01:58 PM
Last Post: Drew Phipps
  Did Captain Westbrook Watch Tippit's Murder? Jim Hargrove 39 17,093 07-05-2015, 06:09 PM
Last Post: David Josephs
  Former House JFK Murder Prober Alleges CIA ‘Lied,’ Seeks Hidden Records. By Andrew Kreig Magda Hassan 2 3,340 14-11-2014, 06:06 PM
Last Post: Jim Hargrove
  Joseph McBride's 2013 COPA talk on "The Murder of Officer J. D. Tippit" Joseph McBride 15 6,052 29-04-2014, 12:46 AM
Last Post: Tracy Riddle
  JFK, RFK and Some Myths About American Foreign Policy Keith Millea 16 8,640 09-02-2014, 03:28 AM
Last Post: Marc Ellis

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)