Hillary sick?

[Anthony Thorne]

I read in your comments that you expected her to stay home and bake cookies or collapse under the weight of it all

Huh? Those aren't my comments, and aren't the sort of thing I would say. My dislike of her is much more specific.

Skipping over Cliff's dramatic comments in red without reading them. Sorry Cliff, the best man won and I don't give a shit that the warmonger and her Neocon pals are now a further step removed from starting a war with Russia. If Hillary had been against the wars of the past decade, rather than for them, she'd probably be President now. I'd even be cheering her on. As it stands she can go and cry on Robert Kagan's shoulder while they weep at the wars they won't now get to incite. What a shame eh?

I'll go and buy a ginger beer to celebrate. Watching Hillary go down in flames is a great day for the world.

[Anthony Thorne]

For clarity, and in a more serious tone. I'd be happy to see a woman in the White House. We had a woman as Prime Minister down here in Oz - she was very good and should have remained in power longer than she was able.

I'd be happy to see a proper left-wing candidate take the Presidency. Sanders would have been my first pick. Trump is the second.

I would have enjoyed seeing Clinton live up to her rhetoric. Sadly, rhetoric is all it seems to have been.

She advocated public and private positions on policy, to put things over on the public. She ran on the shoulders of war profiteers and hawks, assuming this would clear her path to the White House. She treated the inquiries of this year with arrogance and disdain.

I can't think of a single reason that the broad American public, sick of being used as fodders for wars by the hawks in Washington, would have trusted a word she said. Now the Neocons can ruminate and ponder their wars of aggression another half decade down the track. Trump called Bill Kristol a loser in public and made it clear he isn't following their playbook. That's enough. For that alone, he deserved to win tonight, and win big.

[Cliff Varnell]

I read in your comments that you expected her to stay home and bake cookies or collapse under the weight of it all

Huh? Those aren't my comments, and aren't the sort of thing I would say. My dislike of her is much more specific.

Skipping over Cliff's dramatic comments in red without reading them. Sorry Cliff, the best man won and I don't give a shit that the warmonger and her Neocon pals are now a further step removed from starting a war with Russia. If Hillary had been against the wars of the past decade, rather than for them, she'd probably be President now. I'd even be cheering her on. As it stands she can go and cry on Robert Kagan's shoulder while they weep at the wars they won't now get to incite. What a shame eh?

I'll go and buy a ginger beer to celebrate. Watching Hillary go down in flames is a great day for the world.

You celebrate the victory of white supremacy?

Suit yourself.

If you think they're going to let this Putin-bitch run American foreign policy you're naive.

As for me...In 1992 I wrote the text for a set of collectors cards called The World's Most Hated People. We had a number of entertainment figures
along with then-current political figures and the heavies of the 20th Century.

40 cards. I numbered them 1. thru 40. not in order of their being hated, but as chapters in a larger story of the 20th Century.

Chapter 6 was Donald Trump.

This set was a hit in New York City. The New York State legislature barred sales of the set to anyone under 18 -- even though there were zero cuss words, zero purient drawings.

I published under the pen name N. Kidd Sylene.

Yoo-hoo, Mister Trump!

I'm N. Kidd Sylene, bitch! I deserve a top spot on your enemies list!

Btw, the American people need to rise up and demand to see Mister Trump's tax returns.

[Cliff Varnell]

My comments in red.

For clarity, and in a more serious tone. I'd be happy to see a woman in the White House. We had a woman as Prime Minister down here in Oz - she was very good and should have remained in power longer than she was able.

I'd be happy to see a proper left-wing candidate take the Presidency. Sanders would have been my first pick. Trump is the second.

You support an overt fascist who wants to nuke Tehran. Congratulations.

I would have enjoyed seeing Clinton live up to her rhetoric. Sadly, rhetoric is all it seems to have been.

She advocated public and private positions on policy,

Bollocks. She was talking about how Lincoln ratified the 13th Amendment.

Another Big Lie promoted by the Dominionist Proto-Autocracy.

to put things over on the public.

Like what?

We've seen all her e-mails (the bullets of her assassins); we've seen all the e-mails of her top aide; we've seen all the e-mails of her campaign manager; we've seen all the e-mails of the Democratic National Committee; we've seen her Goldman Sacs speeches.

The only thing egregious in any of it is she and her husband sold access to Dow Chemical.

She didn't sell influence, mind you, no quid pro quo has been proven.

Trump on the other hand is mobbed up to his neck, a thoroughly repugnant emotionally deformed vengeful narcissist.

She ran on the shoulders of war profiteers and hawks, assuming this would clear her path to the White House.

That you think Trump is not in the pocket of war profiteers and hawks indicates naivete.

She treated the inquiries of this year with arrogance and disdain.

Those inquiries were fascist witch-hunts and deserve more than disdain.

Call it for what it is.

Treason.

I can't think of a single reason that the broad American public, sick of being used as fodders for wars by the hawks in Washington, would have trusted a word she said. Now the Neocons can ruminate and ponder their wars of aggression another half decade down the track. Trump called Bill Kristol a loser in public and made it clear he isn't following their playbook.

And you believe him!

Hey, I live in a town with a couple of bridges I can arrange for you to buy into.

I recommend the orange one.

[David Guyatt]

I paste the below from Pepe Escobar 2 days ago simply for the record:

"We think Trump will win and they are making everyone think that this is democracy in action."

David Optional Guyatt shared Pepe Escobar's post.

Yesterday at 07:46 ·
Pepe Escobar
7 November at 13:28 ·
THE FBI FOLDS - UPDATING THE UPDATE

Well, my NY source, who knows a thing or two about the Deep State, came up with a quite cryptic answer to all my questions (see previous post):
"I would not say the FBI revolt took place. Comey was ordered to do what he did before and he was ordered to do what he did after. The orders were just reversed and it is as a marionette with a ventriloquist. No one steps out of bounds."

BUT he also said: "We think Trump will win and they are making everyone think that this is democracy in action."

For emphasis, he referred to the USC/LA Times poll, here...

http://cesrusc.org/election/

...which has Trump ahead by 5 points.
Here is a defense of the poll, which tracks the POPULAR vote:

http://www.latimes.com/…/la-oe-schnur-latimes-usc-poll-prob…

To be continued.



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The USC Dornsife/LA Times Presidential Election "Daybreak" Poll is part of the Understanding America…
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[Cliff Varnell]

I paste the below from Pepe Escobar 2 days ago simply for the record:

"We think Trump will win and they are making everyone think that this is democracy in action."

David Optional Guyatt shared Pepe Escobar's post.

Yesterday at 07:46 ·
Pepe Escobar
7 November at 13:28 ·
THE FBI FOLDS - UPDATING THE UPDATE

Well, my NY source, who knows a thing or two about the Deep State, came up with a quite cryptic answer to all my questions (see previous post):
"I would not say the FBI revolt took place. Comey was ordered to do what he did before and he was ordered to do what he did after. The orders were just reversed and it is as a marionette with a ventriloquist. No one steps out of bounds."

BUT he also said: "We think Trump will win and they are making everyone think that this is democracy in action."

For emphasis, he referred to the USC/LA Times poll, here...

http://cesrusc.org/election/

...which has Trump ahead by 5 points.
Here is a defense of the poll, which tracks the POPULAR vote:

http://www.latimes.com/…/la-oe-schnur-latimes-usc-poll-prob…

To be continued.



[URL="http://cesrusc.org/election/"]

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The USC Dornsife / LA Times Presidential Election "Daybreak" Poll | Understanding America Study
The USC Dornsife/LA Times Presidential Election "Daybreak" Poll is part of the Understanding America…
CESRUSC.ORG

Clinton is winning the popular vote.

This was a right-wing coup d'etat.

[Magda Hassan]

Clinton is winning the popular vote.

This was a right-wing coup d'etat.

No. It was the US Electoral College. Why tolerate such an undemocratic institution I don't know. You seem happy enough when it goes your way. Should not exist.

[Cliff Varnell]

Clinton is winning the popular vote.

This was a right-wing coup d'etat.

No. It was the US Electoral College. Why tolerate such an undemocratic institution I don't know. You seem happy enough when it goes your way. Should not exist.

When has it ever gone our way?

Twice in 16 years the Dems won the popular vote and lost the election.

It's a horrible institution, undemocratic in the extreme.

It enforces a two-party system and allows elections to be rigged.

[David Guyatt]

Why Trump Won; Why Clinton Lost

November 9, 2016

Exclusive: Hillary Clinton's stunning defeat reflected a gross misjudgment by the Democratic Party about the depth of populist anger against self-serving elites who have treated much of the country with disdain, writes Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
In the end, Hillary Clinton became the face of a corrupt, arrogant and out-of-touch Establishment, while Donald Trump emerged as an almost perfectly imperfect vessel for a populist fury that had bubbled beneath the surface of America.
There is clearly much to fear from a Trump presidency, especially coupled with continued Republican control of Congress. Trump and many Republicans have denied the reality of climate change; they favor more tax cuts for the rich; they want to deregulate Wall Street and other powerful industries all policies that helped create the current mess that the United States and much of the world are now in.

A sign supporting Donald Trump at a rally at Veterans Memorial Coliseum at the Arizona State Fairgrounds in Phoenix, Arizona. June 18, 2016 (Photo by Gage Skidmore)

Further, Trump's personality is problematic to say the least. He lacks the knowledge and the temperament that one would like to see in a President or even in a much less powerful public official. He appealed to racism, misogyny, white supremacy, bigotry toward immigrants and prejudice toward Muslims. He favors torture and wants a giant wall built across America's southern border.
But American voters chose him in part because they felt they needed a blunt instrument to smash the Establishment that has ruled and mis-ruled America for at least the past several decades. It is an Establishment that not only has grabbed for itself almost all the new wealth that the country has produced but has casually sent the U.S. military into wars of choice, as if the lives of working-class soldiers are of little value.
On foreign policy, the Establishment had turned decision-making over to the neoconservatives and their liberal-interventionist sidekicks, a collection of haughty elitists who often subordinated American interests to those of Israel and Saudi Arabia, for political or financial advantage.
The war choices of the neocon/liberal-hawk coalition have been disastrous from Iraq to Afghanistan to Libya to Syria to Ukraine yet this collection of know-it-alls never experiences accountability. The same people, including the media's armchair warriors and the think-tank "scholars," bounce from one catastrophe to the next with no consequences for their fallacious "group thinks." Most recently, they have ginned up a new costly and dangerous Cold War with Russia.
For all his faults, Trump was one of the few major public figures who dared challenge the "group thinks" on the current hot spots of Syria and Russia. In response, Clinton and many Democrats chose to engage in a crude McCarthyism with Clinton even baiting Trump as Vladimir Putin's "puppet" during the final presidential debate.
It is somewhat remarkable that those tactics failed; that Trump talked about cooperation with Russia, rather than confrontation, and won. Trump's victory could mean that rather than escalating the New Cold War with Russia, there is the possibility of a ratcheting down of tensions.
[B]Repudiating the Neocons[/B]
[B]Thus, Trump's victory marks a repudiation of the neocon/liberal-hawk orthodoxy because the New Cold War was largely incubated in neocon/liberal-hawk think tanks, brought to life by likeminded officials in the U.S. State Department, and nourished by propaganda across the mainstream Western media.[/B]

[B]Donald Trump speaking with supporters at a campaign rally in Phoenix, Arizona. June 18, 2016. (Photo by Gage Skidmore)
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[B]It was the West, not Russia, that provoked the confrontation over Ukraine by helping to install a fiercely anti-Russian regime on Russia's borders. I know the mainstream Western media framed the story as "Russian aggression" but that was always a gross distortion. [/B]
[B]There were peaceful ways for settling the internal differences inside Ukraine without violating the democratic process, but U.S. neocons, such as Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, and wealthy neoliberals, such as financial speculator George Soros, pushed for a putsch that overthrew the elected President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014.[/B]
[B]Putin's response, including his acceptance of Crimea's overwhelming referendum to return to Russia and his support for ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine opposing the coup regime in Kiev, was a reaction to the West's destabilizing and violent actions. Putin was not the instigator of the troubles.[/B]
[B]Similarly, in Syria, the West's "regime change" strategy, which dates back to neocon planning in the mid-1990s, involved collaboration with Al Qaeda and other Islamic jihadists to remove the secular government of Bashar al-Assad. Again, Official Washington and the mainstream media portrayed the conflict as all Assad's fault, but that wasn't the full picture.[/B]
[B]From the start of the Syrian conflict in 2011, U.S. "allies," including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Israel, have been aiding the rebellion, with Turkey and the Gulf states funneling money and weapons to Al Qaeda's Nusra Front and even to the Al Qaeda spinoff, Islamic State. [/B]
[B]Though President Barack Obama dragged his heels on the direct intervention advocated by then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Obama eventually went in halfway, bending to political pressure by agreeing to train and arm so-called "moderates" who ended up fighting next to Al Qaeda's Nusra Front and other jihadists in Ahrar al-Sham.[/B]
[B]Trump has been inarticulate and imprecise in describing what policies he would follow in Syria, besides suggesting that he would cooperate with the Russians in destroying Islamic State. But Trump didn't seem to understand the role of Al Qaeda in controlling east Aleppo and other Syrian territory.[/B]
[B][B]Uncharted Territory[/B][/B]
[B][B]So, the American voters have plunged the United States and the world into uncharted territory behind a President-elect who lacks a depth of knowledge on a wide variety of issues. Who will guide a President Trump becomes the most pressing issue today.[/B][/B]

[B][B]Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaking with supporters at a campaign rally in Phoenix, Arizona. March 21, 2016. (Photo by Gage Skidmore)
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[B][B]Will he rely on traditional Republicans who have done so much to mess up the country and the world or will he find some fresh-thinking realists who will realign policy with core American interests and values.[/B][/B]
[B][B]For this dangerous and uncertain moment, the Democratic Party establishment deserves a large share of the blame. Despite signs that 2016 would be a year for an anti-Establishment candidate possibly someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Sen. Bernie Sanders the Democratic leadership decided that it was "Hillary's turn." [/B][/B]
[B][B]Alternatives like Warren were discouraged from running so there could be a Clinton "coronation." That left the 74-year-old socialist from Vermont as the only obstacle to Clinton's nomination and it turned out that Sanders was a formidable challenger. But his candidacy was ultimately blocked by Democratic insiders, including the unelected "super-delegates" who gave Clinton an early and seemingly insurmountable lead.[/B][/B]
[B][B]With blinders firmly in place, the Democrats yoked themselves to Clinton's gilded carriage and tried to pull it all the way to the White House. But they ignored the fact that many Americans came to see Clinton as the personification of all that is wrong about the insular and corrupt world of Official Washington. And that has given us President-elect Trump.[/B][/B]

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[Cliff Varnell]

[QUOTE]
In the end, Hillary Clinton became the face of a corrupt, arrogant and out-of-touch Establishment, while Donald Trump emerged as an almost perfectly imperfect vessel for a populist fury that had bubbled beneath the surface of America.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, this was the meme pushed incessantly by cable news.

It was a lie in the beginning, a lie later on, a lie now, and a big fat stinking lie going forward.

The American people were hustled by con artists.

Tax cuts for the wealthy and mass deregulation are not populist positions.

It's all one hairy LIE.