New book...A DEEPER, DARKER TRUTH

[Peter Lemkin]

What i have never understood is why Wilson's technique is totally unknown except in these JFK assassination circles. One would think that those from outside the JFK community would have knowledge of it and be able to discuss it.

Is Wilson's technique proprietary to US Steel? And is this the only known application of it, other than in US Steel manufacturing?

While Tom made some of his own inventions and changes, created his own databases just for this 'Project', there are a select few in industry and academia who use similar systems for completely different reasons - just as he adapted his at USS for finding flaws on the surface of hot steel moving by his light valve at very high speeds, to eventually use it to work on the JFK Assassination AND also in many of Dr. Wecht's [and a few others] Court presentations in forensic cases - as an expert witness. So, there are some [not many] outside the JFK 'community' who could speak to his system, but they are 1] hard to locate and 2] mostly - but surely not entirely - predisposed to be hostile to someone who concluded as Wilson did, that there was a massive conspiracy in Dallas - proven with his technique [he had actually read little of the details most of us have about the events - he usually did so after doing his tests, not before].

[Albert Rossi]

What i have never understood is why Wilson's technique is totally unknown except in these JFK assassination circles. One would think that those from outside the JFK community would have knowledge of it and be able to discuss it.

Is Wilson's technique proprietary to US Steel? And is this the only known application of it, other than in US Steel manufacturing?

Evidently it has been used in court.

In order for that to happen, I would think that some legal-scientific evaluation of the method would have occurred. Case in point: thanks to the articles on NAA that came out about 8 years ago, the use of NAA for ballistic metal comparison is no longer considered (if I understand correctly) as having probative weight in the courtroom.

Any elucidation concerning Tom Wilson's court testimony in this respect would be very helpful.

[Peter Lemkin]

Peter,

Thanks again for providing this background on your experiences with Tom, his work, and his "dealings" with the FBI, whose behavior is not surprising.

Since I am undoubtedly the person responsible for opening this whole question up again (with my post concerning Tippit on Joseph McBride's thread), I think it fitting that I offer to sign the request to make his personal papers and databases available. Even though I do not profess to have expertise in optics or photographic analysis, I would be very interested in obtaining a fuller explanation and evaluation of the techniques he employed. The tone of my original assessment was not meant to be peremptory, though it may have been a bit too harsh; however, your own position leads me to feel my agnosticism at this point is not entirely unjustified. So I await further clarification, as do others.

If you at some point decide to write up a technical description of Wilson's complex method from your own understanding and conversations with him, I would be very interested in reading it.

- Al

Don't feel bad about 'opening it up again'. I have always thought that Tom's work has been under-rated and largely ignored, precisely because it is not transparent what he was doing to most. While I'm a scientist, electrical engineering and electro-optics are NOT my field. Trust me, in his court cases as an expert witness, the opposing side did their level best to have him struck as an expert witness - to my knowledge they never succeeded. The basic principles are not difficult to grasp, with a good science background. Some of the finer details are....but NOT beyond the possible to explain to someone with a good general education - only a lot of work. I remember Wilson telling me, as he often did others, that 'anyone' could build a system similar to his, at a 'modest' sum [I'd guess a few thousand dollars to, perhaps ten thousand!]. They then have to build up databases of how different substances at different angles of reflection and of different colors and under different conditions [such as sun angle and many others] would 'look' to the system. After that, its easy as pi :mexican: :cleanears:.

The next thing is another attempt at Mrs. Wilson and the oldest son, who have 'the say' over his materials - which are voluminous and would make validation of his technique much easier; and save a decade, perhaps, trying to re-create it from scratch. I'm surprised that some of the others in his field, to my knowledge, have not piped in on his technique - my guess is few have heard about it, at all. Some are in industries with security clearances or connections to the MIC - so we won't hear from them, but not all. Some are in academia, and should have no special ax to grind - only the general societal prejudices.

However, we don't need them to speak to his conclusions [unless they want to try to repeat and validate them]; only to speak to and explain his system [so that others, like myself - with some financial help - could recreate and validate his conclusions. I can explain his system and the theory behind it to a point - but only to a point. The largest problem is his final 'secret sauce recipe' he kept to himself and it rests, I believe, collecting dust in banker's boxes in a location I know of, but have been refused access to - as have all others. I believe included with his naive and generous 'donation' to the FBI was a detailed summary of his technique. I do not know, but suspect that a copy of that must exist with his notes.

[Phil Dragoo]

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F...-1907.html

And the judge is . . . Jolly

[Peter Lemkin]

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F...-1907.html

And the judge is . . . Jolly

Thanks for adding that. I didn't bring it up. Wecht, myself, White and many others told Wilson he was naive to think he could prevail in this lawsuit. He never got to 'first base'....and became quite frustrated at the American Judicial/Legal System. He was IMO quite naive politically, but had started from a very conservative starting point;radicalized, slowly, only after his entree into the intrigue of DP via his techniques. His FBI episode [near the end of his research activities] shows me his naivete never fully went away.

[Charles Drago]

All,

My DPF posts may appear to be sporadic because of delays brought about by the fact that I have been on moderation on the forum I co-founded for a couple of months now. There is no end in sight, and over the past week the delays have grown longer.

When my posts are released, they almost always appear buried behind one or more subsequent contributions. Do with this information what you will.

I am not being afforded the opportunity to appeal the moderators' actions. I am assured that votes are taken on the suitability of all my posts, and that majority decisions prevail. I am not aware of how tie votes are settled.

I shall not comment on the reasons why this situation has arisen; that story is for the co-founders only. I shall not be the one to make it public.
Why do I endure this situation? Because it is not in my nature to run from a fight -- especially one in which so much is at stake.

I started this thread simply to inform those of you who find some semblance of value in what I bring to this cyber-table that I have not left the battlefield and have no intention of doing so.

Also, I have no intention of making further public comment on this situation at this time. So don't waste your time posing questions that I won't answer.

As always, you may feel free to contact me via PM. But be advised: I have no way of knowing if my PM Inbox and Outbox are being monitored.
Thank you for your consideration.

[Ray Mitcham]

I hope soon to try once again via the lawyer and the family to move them to release his materials [which are now ironically near Dallas, when Tom lived near Wecht in Pittsburgh] to some university archive of their choice - hoping to use the 50th as some 'weight' to move them. Any who'd like to add their names to the request letter will be entertained.

Peter, please add my name to the list.

Can i ask a couple of questions, without being accused of being a disinformation agent?

1. How many people saw Wilson's presentation in Dallas at the ASK Symposium in, I think, 1992 or 93?

2. How many people have talked to Groden about Wilson?

Jim, what kind of answer did you expect to the above questions?

[Peter Lemkin]

What i have never understood is why Wilson's technique is totally unknown except in these JFK assassination circles. One would think that those from outside the JFK community would have knowledge of it and be able to discuss it.

Is Wilson's technique proprietary to US Steel? And is this the only known application of it, other than in US Steel manufacturing?

Evidently it has been used in court.

In order for that to happen, I would think that some legal-scientific evaluation of the method would have occurred. Case in point: thanks to the articles on NAA that came out about 8 years ago, the use of NAA for ballistic metal comparison is no longer considered (if I understand correctly) as having probative weight in the courtroom.

Any elucidation concerning Tom Wilson's court testimony in this respect would be very helpful.

I honestly don't know many of the details. Those would mostly be known by C. Wecht or the Court transcripts involved - and that would be a LOT of work to find them without Wecht's help. I know he was involved in many such court cases - mostly forensic science matters, but not exclusively. I know in one case he used his technique as an expert witness to demonstrate from photos that a bullet hole in the deceased had been covered-up [in both senses of the term] by mortician's wax - a finding he also was able to use in the JFK assassination evidence. Other cases included whether a bullet would was exit or entrance - or a fake or artifact of a photo or x-ray. I don't know too many other details, except that the side using him in every Court case as an expert witness prevailed. As mentioned before, in most cases his 'credentials' and 'expertise' to be defined in the Court as an expert witness was challenged. I don't, however, know the details presented by him or by those trying to prove his technique was only 'snake oil'. This may or may not be in the Court transcripts or may have been done in camera or in a separate meeting of the parties. I'm not familiar with this system, and it is likely slightly different in different Courts and jurisdictions. Lastly, such information should also be included with the now sealed papers and research of Tom Wilson. [Sealed by the family - not by any Court]. Your questions are logical, but Tom was very [overly] secretive - I think all who knew him from the research community felt that. He confided in few and even to them, what he confided was somewhat limited. One person he confided a lot to, Jack White, is sadly now not with us [see start of this thread]. Wecht also knows alot, but is very busy - and hard to get time and attention from on this matter. His lawyer is legally bound to not discuss any of this and his family won't. I've also been in communication with the author of the book [the only book about Tom Wilson's work - and an author both chosen by the family and only person other than the lawyer and Wilson's son allowed to go through Tom's papers etc.], and while friendly, was not going to go into any more detail than was in the book - though I feel he knows more. I have done a lot of speculation on why the family is as hesitant as was Tom to greater transparency and it is ONLY speculation on my part....and perhaps not worth committing to it here. [parts of it are alluded to by myself and others at the start of this thread - but there are possible other reasons].

[Albert Rossi]

What i have never understood is why Wilson's technique is totally unknown except in these JFK assassination circles. One would think that those from outside the JFK community would have knowledge of it and be able to discuss it.

Is Wilson's technique proprietary to US Steel? And is this the only known application of it, other than in US Steel manufacturing?

Evidently it has been used in court.

In order for that to happen, I would think that some legal-scientific evaluation of the method would have occurred. Case in point: thanks to the articles on NAA that came out about 8 years ago, the use of NAA for ballistic metal comparison is no longer considered (if I understand correctly) as having probative weight in the courtroom.

Any elucidation concerning Tom Wilson's court testimony in this respect would be very helpful.

I honestly don't know many of the details. Those would mostly be known by C. Wecht or the Court transcripts involved - and that would be a LOT of work to find them without Wecht's help. I know he was involved in many such court cases - mostly forensic science matters, but not exclusively. I know in one case he used his technique as an expert witness to demonstrate from photos that a bullet hole in the deceased had been covered-up [in both senses of the term] by mortician's wax - a finding he also was able to use in the JFK assassination evidence. Other cases included whether a bullet would was exit or entrance - or a fake or artifact of a photo or x-ray. I don't know too many other details, except that the side using him in every Court case as an expert witness prevailed. As mentioned before, in most cases his 'credentials' and 'expertise' to be defined in the Court as an expert witness was challenged. I don't, however, know the details presented by him or by those trying to prove his technique was only 'snake oil'. This may or may not be in the Court transcripts or may have been done in camera or in a separate meeting of the parties. I'm not familiar with this system, and it is likely slightly different in different Courts and jurisdictions. Lastly, such information should also be included with the now sealed papers and research of Tom Wilson. [Sealed by the family - not by any Court]. Your questions are logical, but Tom was very [overly] secretive - I think all who knew him from the research community felt that. He confided in few and even to them, what he confided was somewhat limited. One person he confided a lot to, Jack White, is sadly now not with us [see start of this thread]. Wecht also knows alot, but is very busy - and hard to get time and attention from on this matter. His lawyer is legally bound to not discuss any of this and his family won't. I've also been in communication with the author of the book [the only book about Tom Wilson's work - and an author both chosen by the family and only person other than the lawyer and Wilson's son allowed to go through Tom's papers etc.], and while friendly, was not going to go into any more detail than was in the book - though I feel he knows more. I have done a lot of speculation on why the family is as hesitant as was Tom to greater transparency and it is ONLY speculation on my part....and perhaps not worth committing to it here. [parts of it are alluded to by myself and others at the start of this thread - but there are possible other reasons].

Thanks again, Peter, for what details you are able to give.

[Peter Lemkin]

Thanks again, Peter, for what details you are able to give.

You're welcome. Perhaps soon sometime I will have more to say if I remember it. There were other odds and ends related to the matter that once were on the EF - but all my posts were removed. There are a few things I'm bound by promises of confidentiality not to disclose, but none change things as I have presented them. A few of us who knew Tom felt his death may not have been a natural one - even if he was not the youngest man. He, himself, felt fearful after his discoveries and after turning things over to the FBI. He was as naive about the FBI as he was that his lawsuit would open up the case. He expected the FBI to get back to him and request more materials and/or to demonstrate his techniques.....they never got back to him and, as mentioned, deny ever receiving the materials [which I could produce proof to refute via a very trusted and well-known third party - but that would be 'tempting the devil', at this point - and this 'third party' doesn't want to be put in such a position unless it will likely produce some positive effect.] I have had cordial, if restrained, communications with the eldest [only?] son; the widow of Wilson, to me, seems afraid to discuss the matter and to release the materials - and not because she doubts their validity or the validity of Tom's work - quite the opposite, IMO. So, we are left in a quandary. As I said, I have tried before, and I will try once more, using the 50th as 'leverage' to request that the family release the materials - which they can not use, and have no plans to use themselves. The materials are secure, but only collecting dust. It very well could be there are hidden forces at work regarding this matter. I have no evidence, but I wouldn't be surprised, given what I know.