What if the Zapruder film is authentic?

[Peter Dawson]

If the Zapruder film were authentic, then I'd like to know why JFK researchers have been talking about the "back and to the left" movement of JFK's head all these years. I've come late to this issue, but looking at the footage, what I see at the crucial moment is a very fast snapping forward of JFK's head - forward and down to the right - and then a slower back-and-to-the-left rebound of his head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w6zveedj0o

To me, this indicates that the head shot came from the rear and probably to the left of JFK, pushing his head forward and to the right in a violent fashion, and because his head was still attached to his body by his neck, his head rebounded back in the direction the bullet came from.

I don't see any need to speculate about 2 bullets hitting him almost simultaneously to account for the movement of his head, until the possibility is at least put on the table and discussed that one bullet, from the rear/left, could account for the movement of his head.

And for those who think a discussion such as this is futile on account of the footage being doctored, please weigh in if you like, but since so many JFK conspiracy theorists still today rely on the Zapruder footage as evidence of conspiracy, I reserve the right to assume for the sake of argument that the footage is authentic.

One last thing I'd like to throw in the mix: There is controversy over some eyewitness reports that "the back" of JFK's head was "missing", and that this doesn't match the post-mortem pictures released of JFK, but I sometimes wonder whether, by saying "the back" of his head, were eyewitnesses merely indicating that his face itself was left intact, and the damaged area was behind his hairline? i.e. "the back" as in "not the front", the front being his face.

[Peter Lemkin]

What if the moon is made of green cheese? Are you really so behind the 8-ball, or trying to be a doubt-caster to throw doubt into this Forum? The film is a valid as the official version of who did it and how it was done. All fake. All knowing lies. All for empire and coup d'etat :goodnight: May I ask: do you believe LHO did it and was a lone 'nut' and leftist, unconnected with intelligence, and not a patsy set up before, during and after? Do your believe the evidence wasn't tampered with and often destroyed, altered and withheld; witnesses threatened, some murdered, many ignored (if they saw the 'wrong' - read correct ' things), other having their testimony changed etc.; That the 'investigations' were controlled keystone cop contrivances to maintain and 'authenticate' the coup? :y:

[Magda Hassan]

Even if the Zapruder film never existed all the other evidence points to conspiracy.

[Peter Dawson]

What if the moon is made of green cheese? Are you really so behind the 8-ball, or trying to be a doubt-caster to throw doubt into this Forum? The film is a valid as the official version of who did it and how it was done. All fake. All knowing lies. All for empire and coup d'etat :goodnight: May I ask: do you believe LHO did it and was a lone 'nut' and leftist, unconnected with intelligence, and not a patsy set up before, during and after? Do your believe the evidence wasn't tampered with and often destroyed, altered and withheld; witnesses threatened, some murdered, many ignored (if they saw the 'wrong' - read correct ' things), other having their testimony changed etc.; That the 'investigations' were controlled keystone cop contrivances to maintain and 'authenticate' the coup? :y:

I believe Oswald was a patsy. I believe there was a high level conspiracy to murder JFK. I hope America will one day give JFK's murder the attention it deserves, and right the wrongs that resulted from his murder.

I believe the issue is still important enough for disinformation to be actively spread about it to this day. For so long the Zapruder film has been used as evidence that there was a shooter from the front, yet when I finally got around to looking closely at it, I could only see the headshot coming from the rear. I want to know if other people can see what I see. If the footage is doctored, then at worst, such an exercise would turn out to be a minor waste of time. But considering that many still consider the footage to be authentic, it can hardly be considered a waste of time yet.

I'm not asking people to read any thousand page books, all I'm asking is that people take 5 minutes to see if they see what I see. (And what I see isn't likely to be a shot from the TBD, btw. The shot I see seems more likely to have come from the other side of the road to the TBD.)

[Frank Nelson]

The downward "bob" movement of JFK's head you are describing is an illusion created by z-frame 313 being phony. Frame 313 is a composite frame created by joining 2 different film frames together (and excising what occurred between them).


You can see this for yourself by looking at the screen grabs from the largest of the 2 enlarged digital versions of the z-film provided in "Image Of An Assassination" and compare Jackie's lapel in frame 312 to her lapel in frame 313. You should notice that her lapel is solid black in z-frame 312 and that it changes to partial white with a black stripe in the middle in z-frame 313.


The white with a black stripe in the middle is JFK's shirt and tie.


JFK's head and body image has been blended in with that of Jackie at this point (by artwork, commonly called "airbrushing"). When the film is run in motion this artificial frame (Z-313) creates the illusion of a quick bob down of JFK's head because his body has shifted from the composite work done in that frame from where it was previously in Z-312. There are actually 2 different images of JFK in z-313 and JFK is in 2 different positions in the parade car in that false frame.


The white with a black tie area on Jackie’s lapel is a mistake that someone working on the film made by not darkening JFK's shirt and tie. Another noticeable mistake is at Z-183.


You can see this for yourself on your PC or TV with "Image Of An Assassination" when you look at individual frames from the largest of the 2 enlarged digital versions of the film.


When the film is run in motion this 1/18th second change between Z-312 and Z-313 is too fast for the eye to detect but the eye does detect the "head bob".

If you have both frames z-312 and z-313 screen grabs on your PC you can use your mouse to quickly click between the 2 frames and focus on Jackie's lapel. The difference between Jackie's lapel at Z-312 and Z-313 jumps out at you. It's pretty hard to miss if you stay focused on her lapel.


There is other composite work done in the film that is quite obvious when you study the facial features of the actors in the parade car in screen grabs from the enlarged version of the film.
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I posted an example of this at another website a few weeks ago in one of the threads posted. Not all JFK websites support z-film alteration. I don't know how to post visuals here.


I did send out an example of what I am referring to here to Jack White, a couple other visuals researchers I interact with and to an author friend of Doug Horne a few weeks ago, so Mr. Horne should be aware of this find. If any of those researchers care to use the info for further discussion and study I welcome it! I do hope the public will help Doug Horne grab the interest and action of the Justice Department on this matter of z-film alteration.


The best visuals to work with would be the individual snapshots the photographer in "Image Of An Assassination" took that now reside at the 6th Floor Museum but I don't believe the museum allows researchers to use them for personal study away from the museum.


I am waiting to see the results of this new facial recognition software that’s been announced in another thread to see if visuals researchers can use it to detect false images in the Zapruder film and other JFK attack visuals. In the meantime, I encourage all interested persons to study the individual frames provided the public in "Image Of An Assassination" for themselves and see with their own eyes the deceit that was laid on the world back in late 1963-1964.

I hope I have explained this in a manner that is not confusing. If you’ll look at the difference in Jackie’s lapel between Z312 and Z-313 by clicking your mouse back and forth between screen grabs of the two enlarged frames from “Image Of An Assassination” and stay focused on just Jackie’s lapel you should see what I am talking about.

I believe what was probably excised out of the film at z313 is the violent forward movement of JFK’s head and body described by Dan Rather and other journalists in the days following the assassination and the motorcycle officer that shot past the limo to inform Jesse Curry that the President had been shot.

With Zapruder & Marilyn Sitzman both gone probably the most valuable living witnesses to what the z-film initially contained are the technicians involved in the initial developing, copying and processing of the film that saw its screening, Zapruder’s business partner, those connected to the magazine that purchased the film, Dan Rather and the other journalists that viewed the film the assassination weekend.

As to what actually occurred out on Elm Street, the most valuable witnesses would certainly be the Newman family, the 2 ladies standing at the nearby street lamp, the men on the north pergola sidewalk steps with Mr. Hudson and all those spectators on the sidewalk beginning at the monument and extending down to the Newmans.

Best to all,


Frank Nelson

[John Kowalski]

If the Zapruder film were authentic, then I'd like to know why JFK researchers have been talking about the "back and to the left" movement of JFK's head all these years. I've come late to this issue, but looking at the footage, what I see at the crucial moment is a very fast snapping forward of JFK's head - forward and down to the right - and then a slower back-and-to-the-left rebound of his head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w6zveedj0o

To me, this indicates that the head shot came from the rear and probably to the left of JFK, pushing his head forward and to the right in a violent fashion, and because his head was still attached to his body by his neck, his head rebounded back in the direction the bullet came from.

I don't see any need to speculate about 2 bullets hitting him almost simultaneously to account for the movement of his head, until the possibility is at least put on the table and discussed that one bullet, from the rear/left, could account for the movement of his head.

And for those who think a discussion such as this is futile on account of the footage being doctored, please weigh in if you like, but since so many JFK conspiracy theorists still today rely on the Zapruder footage as evidence of conspiracy, I reserve the right to assume for the sake of argument that the footage is authentic.

One last thing I'd like to throw in the mix: There is controversy over some eyewitness reports that "the back" of JFK's head was "missing", and that this doesn't match the post-mortem pictures released of JFK, but I sometimes wonder whether, by saying "the back" of his head, were eyewitnesses merely indicating that his face itself was left intact, and the damaged area was behind his hairline? i.e. "the back" as in "not the front", the front being his face.

I watched the video, I did not see the slight move forward and to the right that you mentioned. However, for the sake of argument, if he did move as you say he did, a shot from the rear and to the left can hardly explain the brain matter poring out of the right hand side of his head and the left part of his skull that was blown out by the shot. It doesn't make sense that most of his movements clearly reflect a shot from the grassy knoll while a slight movement is seen as proof that the shot came form the rear.

John

[Myra Bronstein]

If the Zapruder film were authentic, then I'd like to know why JFK researchers have been talking about the "back and to the left" movement of JFK's head all these years. ...

I believe the Zapruder film was created at Dealey Plaza then altered in the many years it resided in the clutches of Time/Life. That's not the same as being fabricated from scratch. A lot of frames were clearly removed and tampered with to further the official story that patsy boy--who in fact couldn't hit the side of a barn with a cannon--on his lonesome, shot and killed from the president from behind. In fact there was a shooter behind JFK, but it was one of at least three shooters. President Kennedy was shot in the throat fer crying out loud. Of course there was a shooter in front.

[Myra Bronstein]

...I don't know how to post visuals here....

Frank,

To upload images when you're writing a post:
1-Scroll down,
2-Click on "Attach Files > Manage Attachments" button,
3-In the pop-up window click on the "Browse" button,
4-Find the file on your PC,
5-Click "Upload."

If you try and are unable to do it I'd be happy to upload them for you.
I'd like members to see the images you're describing.

[Peter Dawson]

...I don't know how to post visuals here....

Frank,

To upload images when you're writing a post:
1-Scroll down,
2-Click on "Attach Files > Manage Attachments" button,
3-In the pop-up window click on the "Browse" button,
4-Find the file on your PC,
5-Click "Upload."

If you try and are unable to do it I'd be happy to upload them for you.
I'd like members to see the images you're describing.

I'd really like to see them, because I can only see a red mist in front of Jackie's collar area in frame 313 on the youtube I'm looking at.

[Magda Hassan]

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...der+frames
Might be useful.