The "Other" Zapruder Film

[Bernice Moore]

hey myra i got logged in again...below is some information from rich himself, god bless him, that he posted in reply to questions re the other film from a pretending neive pot stirring member imo.i have clipped some of the questionaires replies and his name, from such.....the replies shown posted to him were not by the man who was asking the questions but by a third party member..

aug.17th, 2006

The first thing to realize about analyzing the "other" film is that while I
viewed it on 3 occasions, I never had possession of it and unlike the Z film
I could not watch it in slo-mo or frame-by-frame. Certain things stand out and
are etched in my mind, but it has been at least 10 years since I last saw it.
The 2 head shots were nearly, but not exactly, simultaneous. First the
shot to the rear and then the tangential shot to the temple.

I do not recall much about the background as I was focused on the main
characters.

aug 21..2006 rich

Try not to be naive. You should ask why the extant Z film became
so readily available through numerous outlets and on various media.



I would gladly show the film -- but I never possessed it. Collectively we
know that at least 2 of the major TV networks have the film: CBS and
NBC.

But don't under-estimate just how dangerous a property it is. It is
one piece of evidence which lays the cover-up bare. It shows
triangulation of fire; surgically accurate shooting; participation of
various co-conspirators; complicity of the Secret Service; and
proof positive that the government has been lying about the
events for 43 years and counting.

One individual living in Europe allowed a researcher the opportunity to
view the film on multiple occasions. That researcher set out to
convince that person to allow a copy to be made of it. That person
felt his life was in jeopardy over that film. But the researcher began
to wear the guy down and he was considering making a copy.

A short time later while the researcher was travelling abroad the guy
with the film was found murdered. The guy was retired from French
Intelligence.

As I stated previously, if you haven't seen the film you are well within
your right to reserve judgement until such time that you can. But
try not to question its existence. A fair number of people have seen
it, some more than once, and no two ever saw it at the same time
in the same place.

Everything isn't about money. Sure that film could bring a lot of money
but would you risk your life to market it??

Rich;

this "other film" (as it has come
to be known) is certainly not the only missing evidence in the case. What about Beverly Oliver's
or Gordon Arnold's films? What about the Harper fragment? Where is that evidence,
Did it never exist, because we don't know more about it or can't see it? C'mon now! Are
you studying the same case that we are? There's also plenty of disappeared evidence in the
RFK case. Why has none of it surfaced? Because it was either destroyed, or because it is
being held as souveneirs by very wealthy individuals involved either directly or tagentially in those
crimes. Did you ever get to tour H.L.Hunt's mansions and view his private collections?
I didn't think so. The sicko's that still possess whatever missing evidence still exists don't need
the money. Why would they, when they're running the friggin world?!
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other member's reply.

So how in the world can you write:
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Yet we get no particulars on who showed the film, where it came from what was the camera angle, etc.

As for who showed the film, just curious when you go to the movies, do you
insist on getting the projectionist's name before you watch the film??

Over a number of years I have answered lots of questions asked of me
about the film.
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Rich DellaRosa

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth!"
-- A.C. Doyle: "A Study In Scarlet" (1887)



Perhaps in another thread we can start listing all the evidence that has
disappeared, but for which we have strong evidence that it once existed
in the JFK, MLK, and/or RFK cases. I would start off with those items that
I listed earlier, but I would not be suprised it we could collectively grow that
list to some 50-100 items. So what is the purpose of singling out
this other film as being questionable as to its past or present existence?
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[Bernice Moore]

rich's print out of seeing the other film..from the ""Great Zapruder Film Hoax"".b

[Charles Drago]

In all of its density, this is really quite simple:

It's the doppelganger gambit -- as it has been written in multiple iterations throughout the dramatic construct that is the Kennedy assassination.

Understand this, and you will understand not just the "how," but also the "who" of the crime.

[Bernice Moore]

thanks charles as there were found to be several doppelgangers within dealey that day...take care b...

p.s hey jack, the doppelgangers of dealey have not been done in quite some time, they were always very interesting,perhaps one more time when you feel like it ??i will join in gladly, hope all is well take care my friend, best b..

[Steve Duffy]

This may be of if interest...And trying not to complicate things...
Finishing a book by Cheri Seymour called "The Last Circle", which follows the investigation of Danny Casaloro, and the stolen PROMIS software. One of the key players ...is an Intelligence asset (No claims to any department-though prob CIA) known as Robert Booth Nichols.
When Cheri was at his apartment, she viewed a version of the Z film which showed the driver shooting at Kennedy. He claimed it was the uncut version (pg 179)...Cheri's husband also viewed this version.
In later talking with Dick Russel (the Man who Knew to Much) it was believed that she was shown this version as it provided Nichols with "deniability" , having her see this version would of had the effect of invalidating her research...(Pg 192)
So, one wonders if there are extant copies of this film that legitimate researchers have seen? The above events took place in the mid 90's.

[Magda Hassan]

Cheri is a member here. I wonder if she may like to discuss this?

[Charles Drago]

This may be of if interest...And trying not to complicate things...
Finishing a book by Cheri Seymour called "The Last Circle", which follows the investigation of Danny Casaloro, and the stolen PROMIS software. One of the key players ...is an Intelligence asset (No claims to any department-though prob CIA) known as Robert Booth Nichols.
When Cheri was at his apartment, she viewed a version of the Z film which showed the driver shooting at Kennedy. He claimed it was the uncut version (pg 179)...Cheri's husband also viewed this version.
In later talking with Dick Russel (the Man who Knew to Much) it was believed that she was shown this version as it provided Nichols with "deniability" , having her see this version would of had the effect of invalidating her research...(Pg 192)
So, one wonders if there are extant copies of this film that legitimate researchers have seen? The above events took place in the mid 90's.

Two points:

1. Appearances by "helpful" intel assets bearing the names "Booth" or "Nichols" (then there's "Oswald Lewinter") -- among others borrowed from characters in historic assassination/deep political dramas -- must be appreciated as red flags.

2. The driver-did-it video is a chimera created to provoke within the public in general and the JFK investigative community in particular the cognitive dissonance and internecine struggles critical to the maintenance of the coverup.

Despite the logic-defying championing by some of the most gifted and principled JFK researchers of an in-limo shot theory, and with the complicity of certain Secret Service agents/assets in the assassination duly recognized, there is not a scintilla of legitimate evidence to suggest that gunfire originated within the Lincoln that day.

Ms. Seymour has been had.

[Steve Duffy]

That's what's pointed out in the book, Charles.
Cheri was shown the film, and after talking to Dick Russell, was assured it was a fake used to throw her off her investigation.
I don't ascribe to the theory...it just stood out because I was at another page the other day where this same theory was being thrown about...
Thought it belonged in this thread.

[Frank Nelson]

(thanking Bernice for her comments to me)….that is a bleak image of our representatives
if they follow the trend of CYA for the misdeeds and sins of people who are dead, particularly disgusting creeps like Dulles. It means in effect that Reagan was wrong when he told the Soviets they lived under an “evil empire”. What could possibly be more evil than what Bernice described as government motives to conceal the truth from the American public? It must be difficult for educators to instill faith in our system with this dark cloud hanging overhead.

A thought kicking around the minds of several people I interact with is perhaps the ‘Zapruder movie’ was prepared way in advance of the attack and all that was used from Zapruder’s film was just the background spectators, not the actual horror within the parade car. In other words, the faces of the real attack victims could have been added to actor’s bodies filmed in a similar vehicle (or a portion of a similar vehicle) prior to the attack. Hollywood and Madison Avenue does this all the time, using stunt doubles and morphing faces and bodies. Bits and pieces of what Zapruder captured would then be merged into a finished illusion that was falsely portrayed as the “Zapruder film”.

No proof of this as yet but it’s a different spin on the chain of custody story that a lot of people think is a hoax starting with Zapruder’s TV interview the afternoon of the massacre.

Why would this be done in advance? To have a quick propaganda film for the public and to fund the operation through magazine and newspaper sales. Exclusive massacre photos and film sells; sales equate to fat wallets.

It’s easily realized that whoever ambushed JFK didn’t just happen to show up at the kill zone out of the wild blue a couple minutes before the shooting and just happen to have assault weapons in their possession; that location was picked well in advance and the attack probably rehearsed in advance as well. It’s not unreasonable to suspect the Zapruder filming was also prepared in advance.

What these persons who tell of seeing “other films” may in fact have seen a “pre-morph” portion of what was used to create the illusion of what is believed to be the “Zapruder film” and they may also have seen the “real deal”.

Best wishes,


Frank Nelson

[Steve Duffy]

Frank, because I'm new here, and believe that everyone has a right to their views and my Mother did raise me to be polite, I'll simply ask:
Do these people you correspond with actually even entertain this viewpoint? It has to be one of the most outlandish theories on the Z film I've ever heard. And I've read a substantial amount regarding the works for both alteration and non alteration.
Body doubles? Morphing of Faces? with 1963 technology?
Applying Occams Razor, wouldn't the capture of the authentic event, by Zapruder, and then later alteration if necessary be a way more simple process?
I must admit, you've done gone and confounded me.