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This is not complicated.
I agree, Jack, that we must recognize and negotiate the uninitiateds' learning curves AND grab their attention by utilizing the same forms of communication that are currently doing the grabbing.
In other words, we must be propagandists -- my word, not yours.
But we must never misinform, misdirect, or stray over the line that separates elegantly simple presentations from simple-minded butcherings of the greater, deeper truths.
Ventura seems to be on the side of the angels. But he is relatively easy to lampoon and even demonize. To the great unwashed, the credentials of a lying Bugliosi trump those of a truth-telling Ventura.
My point? Let's not put all our eggs in Jesse's basket when it comes to media allies. And let's not overestimate his value or underestimate his potential liabilities.
Charles
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Charles,
Haven't you seen it yet? Jesse defanged Bugliosi in a minute's time! Check it out.
It was astonishing to watch. Really! I doubt that Vince will ever recover from this.
Jim
Charles Drago Wrote:This is not complicated.
I agree, Jack, that we must recognize and negotiate the uninitiateds' learning curves AND grab their attention by utilizing the same forms of communication that are currently doing the grabbing.
In other words, we must be propagandists -- my word, not yours.
But we must never misinform, misdirect, or stray over the line that separates elegantly simple presentations from simple-minded butcherings of the greater, deeper truths.
Ventura seems to be on the side of the angels. But he is relatively easy to lampoon and even demonize. To the great unwashed, the credentials of a lying Bugliosi trump those of a truth-telling Ventura.
My point? Let's not put all our eggs in Jesse's basket when it comes to media allies. And let's not overestimate his value or underestimate his potential liabilities.
Charles
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James H. Fetzer Wrote:Your write as though you believe the American people could be told it was Nelson and his buddies who took out JFK without explaining the role of the facilitators. I think that is a blunder as massive as you think the use of the term "mastermind" is a blunder. Americans can put together that Nixon, Bush, Ford, and LBJ were involved and that makes a great deal of sense. Then in a later round--the graduate seminar--you can explain to them that even more powerful and enduring interests were involved, such as the bankers, the oil men, and everyone else you have in mind. But, as a crucial preliminary step, it is indispensable to identify and nail the facilitators, which is what Jesse's show does so well--the best one-hour ever on JFK!
Jim,
You're fishing for phantasms.
I have neither written nor said anything of the sort. You are wrong about me in this regard -- absolutely wrong.
Here we are, about to re-open the old argument.
How the hell does labeling LBJ as a Sponsor (which the use of "mastermind" accomplishes, whether you accept that or not) "identify and nail facilitators"?
Here's an even more constructive question? Is "mastermind," for you, synonymous with "Sponsor" or "Facilitator"?
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James H. Fetzer Wrote:Charles,
Haven't you seen it yet? Jesse defanged Bugliosi in a minute's time! Check it out. It was astonishing to watch. [B]Really!
Jim,
So in your opinion JV has fully discredited VB for all the world, and thus rendered his book wholly ineffective as a propaganda weapon targeted on future generations?
Charles
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We have been over this before. If you have any doubts, then reread our previous exchange. I am finding this more than mildly disconcerting.
Charles Drago Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:Your write as though you believe the American people could be told it was Nelson and his buddies who took out JFK without explaining the role of the facilitators. I think that is a blunder as massive as you think the use of the term "mastermind" is a blunder. Americans can put together that Nixon, Bush, Ford, and LBJ were involved and that makes a great deal of sense. Then in a later round--the graduate seminar--you can explain to them that even more powerful and enduring interests were involved, such as the bankers, the oil men, and everyone else you have in mind. But, as a crucial preliminary step, it is indispensable to identify and nail the facilitators, which is what Jesse's show does so well--the best one-hour ever on JFK!
Jim,
You're fishing for phantasms.
I have neither written nor said anything of the sort. You are wrong about me in this regard -- absolutely wrong.
Here we are, about to re-open the old argument.
How the hell does labeling LBJ as a Sponsor (which the use of "mastermind" accomplishes, whether you accept that or not) "identify and nail facilitators"?
Here's an even more constructive question? Is "mastermind," for you, synonymous with "Sponsor" or "Facilitator"?
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This tells me that YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. For God's sake, Charles, stop posting until you have! This is embarrassing. Really!
Charles Drago Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:Charles,
Haven't you seen it yet? Jesse defanged Bugliosi in a minute's time! Check it out. It was astonishing to watch. [B]Really!
Jim,
So in your opinion JV has fully discredited VB for all the world, and thus rendered his book wholly ineffective as a propaganda weapon targeted on future generations?
Charles
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If the shooters in Dealey Plaza had missed their target as often as you miss my points, we wouldn't be enjoying this lovely exchange.
No embarrassment here, I'm afraid.
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The answer to your question, for everyone who sees it, is "Yes",
which you would appreciate if you had already watched the show.
Charles Drago Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:Charles,
Haven't you seen it yet? Jesse defanged Bugliosi in a minute's time! Check it out. It was astonishing to watch. [B]Really!
Jim,
So in your opinion JV has fully discredited VB for all the world, and thus rendered his book wholly ineffective as a propaganda weapon targeted on future generations?
Charles
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James H. Fetzer Wrote:The answer to your question, for everyone who sees it, is "Yes",
which you would appreciate if you had already watched the show.
Charles Drago Wrote:James H. Fetzer Wrote:Charles,
Haven't you seen it yet? Jesse defanged Bugliosi in a minute's time! Check it out. It was astonishing to watch. [B]Really!
Jim,
So in your opinion JV has fully discredited VB for all the world, and thus rendered his book wholly ineffective as a propaganda weapon targeted on future generations?
Charles
Jesse clearly intimidated the Bug.
Jack
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