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The Chicago Plot: A Hypothesis
Dr. Evica wrote 'The deliberate security stripping (most of JFK's Secret Service men were falsely informed) was part of a covert test of the president's security, including a planned simulated attack on the president in Dealey Plaza'.
Could it be possible that the Chicago plot was one of these security tests and never intended to kill JFK?
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Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Could it be possible that the Chicago plot was one of these security tests and never intended to kill JFK?
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1) It could be possible, but it would make no difference once they actually went through with the assassination in Dallas. The problem with your theory is it means Secret Service had a highly sensitive level of security surrounding the president where it would be able to detect such a plot. Which means they would have no excuse for not doing the same in Dallas. Even if Chicago was a planned drill it would still mean that inside operators manipulated Dallas and went for the kill. In effect it makes no difference.

2) The reason why Chicago probably wasn't a test is because Vallee had a perfect head injury patsy profile. He also associated with the Cuban exiles. Neither of these is necessary for a test.

I'm convinced Chicago would have proceeded had the Oswalds been compromised. Douglass shows that Vallee was allowed to roam free right up until the last hour before the cancellation of the trip. Chicago Police Department members who were working for CIA were tracking Vallee and knew about the cancellation from inside sources. Vallee was a patsy and would have been pinned with the assassination had it been given the go. They simply would have said Vallee was being monitored because of his hostility toward Kennedy and then used it, like they did against Oswald, to paint him as an assassin. In other words they would have used their monitoring of Vallee to reinforce the fact he was the assassin. That's why they had CIA's plants in the Chicago police on Vallee so they could control the plot. If you look at the internal workings of this Chicago business it is well beyond test plot at that point. If Chicago was a test then it was a test run for the CIA assassins and not a legitimate test run for Secret Service protection of the president.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:The reason why Chicago probably wasn't a test is because Vallee had a perfect head injury patsy profile. He also associated with the Cuban exiles. Neither of these is necessary for a test.


Right destination, wrong route.

Chicago was not part of a security (-stripping) test. It was created veneer-thin to provide cover for Dallas-related leaks. Vallee's exiles-association was ABSOLUTELY necessary for the plausibility of the "Secret Service took care of everything" claim in the wake of LHO-related leaks.

Albert Doyle Wrote:I'm convinced Chicago would have proceeded had the Oswalds been compromised.

Not a chance.

Because Saint Douglass says it is so does not make it so.

Compare the Vallee and LHO backgrounds. LHO is the perfect patsy because of his multiple connections to heavily protected operations. Vallee can boast no such background. None. Nada. Bupkis.

Chicago was all width, no depth. Dallas in Kabuki make-up. A feint. Once Chicago was intentionally "blown," the reports of a plot and a patsy meeting the Vallee/LHO superficial profiles could be plausibly dismissed.
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Charles Drago Wrote:Not a chance.

Because Saint Douglass says it is so does not make it so.


OK Charles then explain to me what happens if one of the Oswalds is arrested or even killed by a Richard Case Nagell type? Or an Otepka type who decides to blow Oswald's cover? What if Oswald accidentally tripped a security red flag from his Mexico trip that CIA couldn't contain? The functionality of Chicago as both a set-up for Dallas AND - OR - a real assassination need not be mutually exclusive. You have to expand your thinking here to CIA dimensions. And this has nothing to do with Douglass.

The Russia/Cuba red-dipping of Oswald made him a better patsy, but if you think about it they never used it. Well, maybe in the cover-up with the WWIII virus but never directly. With Vallee they could have just claimed a brain-damaged right-wing Kennedy hater killed him because of the Bay Of Pigs.
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Albert Doyle;36910[/QUOTE Wrote:OK Charles then explain to me what happens if one of the Oswalds is arrested or even killed by a Richard Case Nagell type? Or an Otepka type who decides to blow Oswald's cover?


If my aunt had testicles she'd be my uncle.

What is a Nagell "type"? An Otepka "type"?

But let's get back to basics:

Why was JFK killed in Dallas?

Why was LHO picked as the patsy?

Was Vallee part of the false defector program? Touched by HTLINGUAL? An applicant to Albert Schweitzer College? Did he marry a blood relative of a GRU officer? Was he rubbing elbows with LCN-connected "types"? Pro-Castro Cubans? Anti-Castro cubans? Was he an FBI informant?

Were there a Thomas Arthur Vallee AND an Arthur Thomas Vallee?

Was Chicago in the home state of a prime False Sponsor and important Facilitator?

Was Chicago in the home state of the vice president?

Is it believable that assassins of the sort required to hunt and kill a president would leave their weapons in the open for a landlady to discover?

Are you aware that all intel ops have at least two objectives?

Albert Doyle Wrote:The functionality of Chicago as both a set-up for Dallas AND - OR - a real assassination need not be mutually exclusive. You have to expand your thinking here to CIA dimensions.

My friend -- and I do not use the term flippantly -- I'll stack my imperfect yet refined thinking about deep politics in general and the JFK case in particular against almost all comers.

You might expand your own appreciations of the case and its milieu by pondering my questions above and then answering them.

And while you're at it, define "CIA dimensions."

Albert Doyle Wrote:And this has nothing to do with Douglass.

Then stop trotting him out to bolster the unbolsterable.

Albert Doyle Wrote:The Russia/Cuba red-dipping of Oswald made him a better patsy, but if you think about it they never used it. Well, maybe in the cover-up with the WWIII virus but never directly.

Which is like saying, "They never used guns. Well, maybe to shoot him."

Albert, I don't know how to respond to these levels of misunderstanding and self-contradiction. You really do need to get back to basics.

Albert Doyle Wrote:With Vallee they could have just claimed a brain-damaged right-wing Kennedy hater killed him because of the Bay Of Pigs.

Albert, "they" also could have put the heart attack drug in JFK's chateaubriand.

But they didn't.

Because killing JFK was just one of many objectives of the operation.
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Between the work done by John Newman (I have his 1995 edition but not his highly recommended 2008)


http://www.ctka.net/reviews/newman.html




and Lisa Pease


http://www.ctka.net/pr700-ang.html


http://www.ctka.net/pr900-ang.html


and the role played by CIA's J. Walton Moore and George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA- and Bell-connected Paines, I've come to look at Dealey Dallas Not OK Corral as the pièce de résistance.


Oswald the subject of the Angleton and Goodpasture manipulation via files and cables, made to serve as the tar baby causing all who beheld him to gag with horror, "It is he, it is he, look no further, look no more."


As an added advantage, Johnson was present to observe the message: "The sponsors giveth; the sponsors taketh away. Questions? Comments? Call 1-800-OUR-WILL."


And again and again we return to the assurance, "The Secret Service assured me they took care of everything."


Before the sting, the mosquito anesthetizes the area.


I would further stipulate based on his nonreaction and Gottlieb's ways that he was also literally paralyzed.










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It has always been my theory-and it is only a speculation since i do not have any proof- that the operation in Dallas was organized in a way similar to the military exercises that were conducted during 911, like Global Guardian, Northern Vigilance, Vigilant guardian etc. As these exercises confused the Military and all the defense sector, so i think a joint CIA-military-Secret Service exercise was conducted that day, involving an FPCC member Oswald, who had threatened inside the Cuban embassy to kill Kennedy, had ordered a gun via mail, just to prove how dangerous and Anti_American FPCC was. It was continuation of a SAS operation in Mexico. The SS part had to do with the security test. I also believe that the Oswald-Kostikov connection had to do with another operation possibly, an assassination attempt against Castro, and blame it to Soviets per ZR/RIFLE guidlines.
This joint exercise compromised everybody, i could never believe that al the usual suspects were involved and knew of the plot, only a select few. There is no way that Exile Cubans, Mafia, Army, CIA, right wingers, Oil men were all in this, it would not have been a highly classified, perfectly organized assassination, it would have been a circus. Possibly the used special ops from the far east for the operation along with the Meyer Lansky group. Again it is only a speculation.
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And, I think, a brilliant one.

The False Sponors you catalog were "in" it to the degree that they could A) sow confusion among pre- and post-attack investigators (of all stripes), and B) provide specific, limited logistical support.

We are in agreement, I think, that these individuals/groups had absolutely NO IDEA of the deep conspiracy structure and their TRUE roles in it.

As for your speculation regarding Asian-based operatives in the plot, know that you've ventured into very intriguing terra incognita. If you haven't already done so, look at Pakse Base (southern Laos), a certain "Jim," the confusion regarding a "Major Lopez," and the controversy surrounding Humberto Castillo-Leon.

There is a good chance that most, if not all, of the above was created to lead "serious" researchers off on a dead-end trail. No matter how you cut it, these are under-researched leads.
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One more point:

Neither the Soviets nor the communist Cubans were monolithic entities. Like the Americans, they were factionalized along ideological fault lines.

I cannot overstate the importance of this reality not just to investigations of the JFK assassination, but to our understandings of the Cold War in particular and concerted human action in general.
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Charles Drago Wrote:What is a Nagell "type"? An Otepka "type"?



That should be obvious master Charles. Nagell was an unexpected wild card and loose cannon. He came out of nowhere and was willing to shoot a gun in a bank according to his outrage over the planned treasonous assassination of a US president. A little more outrage and he could have shot Oswald in order to defeat their plot. You seem to assume an absolutist position that Dallas was guaranteed to happen, but both reality and CIA don't work that way. It is possible Oswald might have been exposed prior to Dallas. The Chicago Police could have busted Vallee earlier. The reason they didn't was because they needed to keep Vallee a live asset for CIA up to the last moment, just in case.



Charles Drago Wrote:But let's get back to basics:

Why was JFK killed in Dallas?

Why was LHO picked as the patsy?


There's no doubt Dallas was the better city. CIA used Dallas because the political climate gave them a feeling of justification. They repeated this process in this century by using a Texan president for the worst fascist American administration. Dallas was ideal because Texas rednecks availed themselves to CIA fascist military control. These personality types tend to not let a minor thing like democracy get in the way of their willingness to take orders unquestioningly.


Charles Drago Wrote:Was Vallee part of the false defector program? Touched by HTLINGUAL? An applicant to Albert Schweitzer College? Did he marry a blood relative of a GRU officer? Was he rubbing elbows with LCN-connected "types"? Pro-Castro Cubans? Anti-Castro cubans? Was he an FBI informant?


No, but that's not the point. If Oswald was compromised CIA had another iron in the fire with Vallee. You can't say for certain that Oswald would not have been exposed. What you have to understand is what CIA needed the most is JFK dead. Vallee and his crossfire crew could have achieved that just as easily as the Nazi crew in Dallas. Once dead the exact same receiving pattern was in place with Johnson and some sleazy Warren Commission waiting to save vulnerable and helpless Americans from the great looming WWIII virus threat. Anyone who doubted that would have been killed just like those other witnesses were in Dallas. Once you have such overt Nazi bureaucratic control, as they did, the matter of the actual assassination is minor. Vallee's brain damage is much more valuable to CIA than any Oswald red-dipping because they can mold anything they wish out of it and would have.



Charles Drago Wrote:Is it believable that assassins of the sort required to hunt and kill a president would leave their weapons in the open for a landlady to discover?


I recognize one of my own questions coming back at me. The answer is we don't know when the call was made to expose the operation in favor of Dallas. Again, Charles, you are limiting your thinking. Chicago could have been a real attempt that was then used for cover for Dallas after the decision was made to go for it in Dallas. CIA is flexible. They're a highly complex outfit. It's not beyond their capabilities to develop plans on the run. All the advantages a fake Chicago plot created are still there even if Chicago was real up until it was cancelled.



Charles Drago Wrote:And while you're at it, define "CIA dimensions."


Easy. CIA dimensions are best described by the endless infinity seen in the never ending vanishing perspective of the room full of mirrors.



Charles Drago Wrote:Then stop trotting him out to bolster the unbolsterable.


Careful Drago, you are close to speaking in open contempt of one of the best conspiracy book authors.




Charles Drago Wrote:Albert, I don't know how to respond to these levels of misunderstanding and self-contradiction. You really do need to get back to basics.


That's exactly my point as well. The Warren Commission never really publicly claimed it was exercising the WWIII virus strategy. So it would have made no difference with Vallee. Everything the Warren Commission did it could have just as easily done with Vallee - and maybe even more easily with the brain damage excuse.



Charles Drago Wrote:Albert, "they" also could have put the heart attack drug in JFK's chateaubriand.

But they didn't.

Because killing JFK was just one of many objectives of the operation.


The red-dipping of Lee Harvey Oswald worked to their advantage, but in the long run it exposed their conspiracy. They probably would have been better-off using the undetectable heart attack drug because the outcome, as far as all the Military Industrial Complex political objectives, all would have turned out the same under Johnson. Honestly Charles, I think you are traipsing around your baroque chandelier-decorated conspiracy dining room and sipping the champagne of the high class conspirators while missing the fact the conspiracy would have been just as effective if done in the concrete basement.
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