People Could Have Planted Bombs In the World Trade Center Without Anyone Noticing

[Ed Jewett]

Ed,

Could you explain the triggers you refer to? What were they triggering? Are you assuming there were bomb(like) devices which exploded and destroyed columns?

I put the word "triggered" in quotes to signify a very generalized concept of the term. I meant it in terms of precipitating an action on the script, so it might have been a general signal to someone somewhere to actually trigger bombs, bomb-like devices, etc et ali, but I don't suggest that I know what, who, how, etc.

Furthermore, I am presuming that the OEM bunker inside WTC7 was the site that functioned as a cross between a TV directors' suite for live TV production, involving several chairs for directly-involved people as well as back-row seats for advisors and maestros, or the command bunker for disaster response which is also a hierarchy of individuals with a relatively sophisticated command system that can and often does involve sophisticated technologies. [I have spent time in both.]

Is there a means by which some action can be generated directly on the basis of a line of code activated in a spreadsheet? I'd guess there is, in a world of unlimited cash and black budget technologies. Is it simply a means by which a communications signal is sent to "actor x" at "location y" to begin his part and make his entrance as per the script's timetable? No black ops technology is needed for that.

The mechanisms of explosive action I will leave to others to explore.

[Jeffrey Orling]

James,

It makes no sense to me, at least, of the intent is to take the entire structure down.. destroy it... to ALSO target floor 23 which would be taken in by the collapse.

Kyle,

It looks like to YOU but it doesn't look like to OTHERS as a "pressure wave" from explosions.

There was a pulse of pressure created when the falling rubble impacted each floor slab and then displacing the air - 18,000 cubic yards in .1 seconds. This created a wind of over 200 mph at the facade which carried with it the light weight contents of the floor and blasted through the windows.. destroying them a ripping off the aluminum cladding and frames. The wind pulse was very much LIKE an pressure pulse from an explosion, but it was created by the displacement of the air on the floors however. That makes sense to me as a plausible explanation. I find it hard to fathom how timed explosions would be set off with such precision to provide the uniform ejections from each window around the perimeter. That would involve thousands of devices with precision timing. And that defies credulity to me.

[Jeffrey Orling]

Ed,

I find your "script" overly complex, despite almost unlimited budgets. Coordinating hundreds if not thousands of actors, rehearsals, devices with perfect reliability and a plan that needs to step though the script absent and FUBARs. Not likely to happen.

My (and others) research seems to point to a rather simple means to take down the towers (twins)... and this would accordingly require few "managers" ... few mechanics ... very little "stealth"...and much much less possibility for FUBAR. The "take down" would also end up looking like a "natural collapse" as opposed to a CD and it would destroy most of the evidence of the engineered "take down".

Such an operation would still require covert assets and access to "high tech" demolition devices (mechanics) provided with ordinance etc... by those with access to same (managers).

But who directed the managers... and what were their motives as it seems like there were several???

[Lauren Johnson]

Ed,

I find your "script" overly complex, despite almost unlimited budgets. Coordinating hundreds if not thousands of actors, rehearsals, devices with perfect reliability and a plan that needs to step though the script absent and FUBARs. Not likely to happen.

My (and others) research seems to point to a rather simple means to take down the towers (twins)... and this would accordingly require few "managers" ... few mechanics ... very little "stealth"...and much much less possibility for FUBAR. The "take down" would also end up looking like a "natural collapse" as opposed to a CD and it would destroy most of the evidence of the engineered "take down".

Such an operation would still require covert assets and access to "high tech" demolition devices (mechanics) provided with ordinance etc... by those with access to same (managers).

But who directed the managers... and what were their motives as it seems like there were several???

Jeff, it seems to me your "natural collapse" theory is another version of the CD version of A and E. After all, the intended results were the same. Maybe you are correct.

Your argument solves problems you have with the CD theory: its cost is huge, the mechanics create complexity that can cause things to go wrong, too many people involved (somebody would have talked), etc.

You could have some good points. In some ways, the perps of 9/11 did not need to bring the buildings down to achieve their results to achieve their political agendas. They wanted to bring them down to destroy evidence and to clear the way for the new buildings.

Finally, having spent a lot of time reading at DPF, it appears that the technology to erase memories has now been developed. You can't talk about what you can't remember. Perfect crime.

In sum, I am saying that what you are arguing is not all that important. They destroyed three buildings on live TV. They got away with it. And we are just left arguing about reality.

[James Lewis]

Good points all, Lauren. But, of course, in my opinion, the buildings were bombed, but that's neither here nor there as far as your points go. The important question, when you say that "they" destroyed three buildings on national TV, and "they" got away with it, is, who exactly are they?

Ed,

I find your "script" overly complex, despite almost unlimited budgets. Coordinating hundreds if not thousands of actors, rehearsals, devices with perfect reliability and a plan that needs to step though the script absent and FUBARs. Not likely to happen.

My (and others) research seems to point to a rather simple means to take down the towers (twins)... and this would accordingly require few "managers" ... few mechanics ... very little "stealth"...and much much less possibility for FUBAR. The "take down" would also end up looking like a "natural collapse" as opposed to a CD and it would destroy most of the evidence of the engineered "take down".

Such an operation would still require covert assets and access to "high tech" demolition devices (mechanics) provided with ordinance etc... by those with access to same (managers).

But who directed the managers... and what were their motives as it seems like there were several???

Jeff, it seems to me your "natural collapse" theory is another version of the CD version of A and E. After all, the intended results were the same. Maybe you are correct.

Your argument solves problems you have with the CD theory: its cost is huge, the mechanics create complexity that can cause things to go wrong, too many people involved (somebody would have talked), etc.

You could have some good points. In some ways, the perps of 9/11 did not need to bring the buildings down to achieve their results to achieve their political agendas. They wanted to bring them down to destroy evidence and to clear the way for the new buildings.

Finally, having spent a lot of time reading at DPF, it appears that the technology to erase memories has now been developed. You can't talk about what you can't remember. Perfect crime.

In sum, I am saying that what you are arguing is not all that important. They destroyed three buildings on live TV. They got away with it. And we are just left arguing about reality.

[Jeffrey Orling]

Yea... They got away with it. But WE need to figure out a way to catch them... and so we need to "solve the crime".

If you try to argue the big picture you are laughed out of the court and the court of public opinion.

Therefore we need some serious detective work and lots of it is technical stuff. I DO believe that there a crime which is far from the 19-hijackers-who-hate-democracy did it. The conventional truth claims are to my thinking way too complex and unlikely especially when simple works.

The collapses HAD to be one of two causes: natural or intended... and I don't buy natural so let's look at "intended" and stop all the distraction about complex CD scenarios. Let's get at how they kicked it off.

[James Lewis]

Jeffrey, for once, I almost totally agree with you. You're right, WE need to figure out a way to catch them. The problem is, when they control the media, and they control the investigations, the cleanup and everything else having to do with the crime, it gets exceedingly difficult to catch "them". And we're left holding the bag.

Yea... They got away with it. But WE need to figure out a way to catch them... and so we need to "solve the crime".

If you try to argue the big picture you are laughed out of the court and the court of public opinion.

Therefore we need some serious detective work and lots of it is technical stuff. I DO believe that there a crime which is far from the 19-hijackers-who-hate-democracy did it. The conventional truth claims are to my thinking way too complex and unlikely especially when simple works.

The collapses HAD to be one of two causes: natural or intended... and I don't buy natural so let's look at "intended" and stop all the distraction about complex CD scenarios. Let's get at how they kicked it off.

[Jeffrey Orling]

Some people ARE doing investigations AND research at this moment.

[James Lewis]

I know, Jeffrey. But as long as the powers that be control the airwaves, police, and the basic investigative apparatus, we...and they have an uphill battle.

Some people ARE doing investigations AND research at this moment.

[Jeffrey Orling]

Who expects this to be easy?

The technical matters we can SOLVE from the evidence in the public record. For example... when I was on the Board at AE911T I asked Gage about doing a complete structural analysis of the twin towers. I was told by both Gage and Cole that it was not necessary and impossible... they needed the plans and they were not being made available.

I responded that we don't NEED the plans.. we have MORE than enough to do our own drawings and reverse engineer the towers.

We have:

1. the architectural drawings - not structure... but location of columns
   
2. videos and stills of the buildings being erected - so we can learn from the actual construction what was going on
   
3. videos and stills of the completed towers
   
4. videos and stills of them coming apart
   
5. videos and still of the the debris (some of it)
   
6. photos and some test reports of some of the steel
   
7. correspondence between the engineers LERA and PANYNJ about the structural design and fabrication
   
8. have design loads for all the floor area types
   
9. witness testimony from construction workers ... if we look for it!
   
10. witness testimony from building engineers ... if we look for it
    
11. articles about how the towers were designed
    
12. the types of steel
    
13. the plans section of the core columns
    
14. the plans section of a typical facade column
    

The list goes on and on and on... and a few competent engineers can EASILY reverse engineer and completely analyze the structure... and IDENTIFY its weakest points and how it MIGHT be made to fail.

The real problem is... among the truth community... few to none are willing to take this on and I have been doing it on my own. Of course when I report some of my findings... those who haven't studied the towers' design engineering jump on my findings as if I am a OCT apologist. I AM doing the research... most others are NOT and are parroting others who the THINK did sound research... but which they haven't verified or fact checked and only PARROT.

And then some say it doesn't matter because it was obviously a MIHOP and we're effed.

I say the key to understanding is informed observation and detailed technical knowledge about the structures, engineering, material sciences and other technical disciplines and of course physics.

Sure we're all pissed off.. but someone has to get their hands dirty and do REAL fundamental research and investigation and not WAIT FOR THE MOMMY-STATE TO DO IT FOR YOU.