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Everyone - please can we take discussion of "the other Zapruder film" to this thread.
Thanking you muchly.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
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Good Idea.
Read not to contradict and confute;
nor to believe and take for granted;
nor to find talk and discourse;
but to weigh and consider.
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:So of course the question becomes, "Why were the films shown to you?"
I would suggest this answer: "To foster doubt, to create conflict, and to deflect attention."
For starters.
I would add another question: "Would the Sponsors have commissioned their own film of the public execution of the American President?"
If so, why?
To be able to relive, to "celebrate", their Power - as some sort of ultimate Trophy film - in oak-panelled rooms, whilst slowly imbibing cognac?
Or to be shown to select researchers as per Charles' formulation of fostering doubt, creating conflict and deflecting attention?
Or to be channelled to the public at some future date, for unknown reasons which might include the reinfliction of mass trauma on the audience, the demonstration that Power can tell you what to believe, or more prosaically as leverage of some sort against one of the players?
Or as Bill Hicks joked - the film to show to future potential assassination victims a.k.a. POTUS'
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Marlene Zenker Wrote:Or as Bill Hicks joked - the film to show to future potential assassination victims a.k.a. POTUS'
Yup.
Poppy Bush probably cheered the touchdown.
Dubya likely choked on a pretzel.
And Obama signed national security memos for more cyberspying, more drones, more wars and more rum.....
:unclesam: :popcorn:
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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While I don't think at this point we can know if the 'other film' is the real un-tampered with Z-film [my hunch] OR taken by another camera in the general vicinity, I'd just like to remind folks that Tom Wilson was able to 'lift out' of various photos several 'hidden cameras' next to or on apparently operational persons - and the plaza was full of them - so even a visible one would not have raised suspicions, and it would be quite easy to hide one with or without a person attending it. As for motive, I think the gloat over their hunting trophy concept [as sick as that is] is close to the mark....and I wouldn't be surprised if wayward Presidents or others had been shown this film, as a 'warning' since. Every President since has followed the general 'orders', and are only given narrow margins in which to think and act on their own....or else. [They are also carefully vetted before they are allowed to run in the two wings of the One Party that runs in National Elections.]
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Who knows? I do not.
From the similar descriptions from folks that did not have communication at the time I first had this thing described indicates to me that another film exists.
In most cases that I know of the people are undoubted integrity and would have NO interest in promoting division in the community.
But we know cleaving the community has occupied the Enemy before as the case of LIAR Dunkle.
The wide turn and the insistence on a lingering FULL STOP were the emphasis of the first description I ever heard,
the quote is "the m******'ers were waiting for the kill shot and it took a while....."
Both issues destroy the illusion of the Ztoon.
This from a friend of known veracity and loyalty.
Contrast this to a present day cousin that worked with the DOD and NSA and still would defend the Empire in ALL IT'S DEEDS.
Just plain sick hearted fascism. It is DOD mind virus I presume. Like Le May and Taylor exhibited.
Obviously not a position any son of my Father would ever take or defend.
Shut up is my reply to him in mid sentence and to save it for the fools I said.
Sometimes I get to say "With me or ag'in me!"
I'll rest assured the other film is real. Somewhere.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:While I don't think at this point we can know if the 'other film' is the real un-tampered with Z-film [my hunch] OR taken by another camera in the general vicinity, I'd just like to remind folks that Tom Wilson was able to 'lift out' of various photos several 'hidden cameras' next to or on apparently operational persons - and the plaza was full of them - so even a visible one would not have raised suspicions, and it would be quite easy to hide one with or without a person attending it. As for motive, I think the gloat over their hunting trophy concept [as sick as that is] is close to the mark....and I wouldn't be surprised if wayward Presidents or others had been shown this film, as a 'warning' since. Every President since has followed the general 'orders', and are only given narrow margins in which to think and act on their own....or else. [They are also carefully vetted before they are allowed to run in the two wings of the One Party that runs in National Elections.]
I first floated the "trophy room" concept as part of my first of two presentations at Jerry Rose's initial Third Decade conference in the early 90's. It's also a central plot device in Vault 2211, my original screenplay treatment (a work-in-progress).
Do I think such an abomination truly exists? Based on my understanding of human nature, I have to say yes.
I'm less certain that an unedited video of the assassination is shown to presidents. But I'd bet my house that they and others are informed -- to a limited degree -- of the Dealey Plaza reality. And I have been told on extremely good, second-hand authority that the Clintons, at a location that is familiar to everyone on DPF, offered what may or may not have been an accurate version of events to an individual who had the Kennedy family's collective ear.
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Charles Drago Wrote:... And I have been told on extremely good, second-hand authority that the Clintons, at a location that is familiar to everyone on DPF, offered what may or may not have been an accurate version of events to an individual who had the Kennedy family's collective ear.
Are you able to elaborate on what that scenario was Charles?
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Martin White Wrote:Charles Drago Wrote:... And I have been told on extremely good, second-hand authority that the Clintons, at a location that is familiar to everyone on DPF, offered what may or may not have been an accurate version of events to an individual who had the Kennedy family's collective ear.
Are you able to elaborate on what that scenario was Charles?
Alas, I am not.
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Jim Hackett II Wrote:Who knows? I do not.
The wide turn and the insistence on a lingering FULL STOP were the emphasis of the first description I ever heard,
the quote is "the m******'ers were waiting for the kill shot and it took a while....."
Both issues destroy the illusion of the Ztoon.
If we are to take the existence of this film on faith, then debating the alteration of the zfilm is wasted energy; let's expend said energy in other areas.
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