Michael Piper and Final Judgment

[David Josephs]

Yes, you are so right Albert.

Charles, Greg, Dawn, and all of us are just trembling at what the Spotlight sponsored author dug up, even before the ARRB was set up. And that somehow, oh those so many other authors like the ones I mentioned, plus say Mark Lane, Harold Weisberg, Evica et al they all missed that bombshell stuff that Piper was able to discern almost magically.

We are all so afraid of being shown up by Spotlight.

Now please go back and show me how the Mossad figured in any and all of those incidents that were part of the setting up and framing of Oswald prior to the murder.

And then show me how the Mossad then was part of the team that stopped the doctors at Bethesda from doing a full autopsy that night. And show me how the Mossad convinced Hoover to go along with the cover up from the first day.

Its you who are dodging all this.

On the verge of us now being able to piece together what really happened, you want to help throw all of that under the bus and group yourself with a disinfo agent like Rago and a holocaust denying publication like Spotlight. Wow. That will make us all look good next year.

Count me out.

Hi Jim.... and all the wonderful contributors here... Sure will be enjoyable to post and discuss without all the Lamsonesque BS...

I would simply add this: Those Russian agents that infultrated the US (the "west") did not wear "I'm a double agent" T-shirts... but they were definitely involved in the direction of a number of activities - some we know about, some are still to be discovered.

Is it your position Jim that the Mossad has not and does not continue to spy on the US via the use of double agents? and that there may be some in the Mossad that dont share a love of the good ole USA?
No, they did not restrict the autopsy, but who is to say that one or more of the agents and/or bureaucrats did not fire and create CE399 for Rowley, or put pressure on sensitive pressure points.

As we say, the CIA did not kill JFK but members of the CIA with the power and means did help make it possible... I doubt the Mossad had anything to - organizationally - with the assassination.
But who was working for who, and with what agenda is still well beyond knowing at this point.

"Wilderness of Mirrors" was recommended reading to help understand the intelligence community and the tactics of the "communist cells" that operated in the US to steal secrets...
That Kim Philby was in such a position of power and knowledge and was a double agent - to me - does not bode well for discounting the involvement of Mossad AGENTS in the USA, with unknown agendas that bring us to 2001 and 5 guys in a van behaving very strangely.

Would you say THE MILITARY killed JFK, or that members of the military complex were involved? The Mossad? - no. Human beings representing themselves and hidden agendas? - most likely.
DJ



On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply
was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate
sympathy (for Israel)"

1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful
accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.

2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to
report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland
Tunnel.

3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli
bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they
will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.

4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL
bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently
foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day
torture.

5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000
Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails.
The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can
now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same
dragnet as many other Arabs.

6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to
gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly

[Greg Burnham]

Welcome to the Deep Politics Forum, David!

[Charles Drago]

Welcome indeed, David.

[David Josephs]

Thanks...

I hope to contribute and absorb as much as possible among this wonderful assortment of researchers and authors....

Cheers to all
DJ

[Mark Stapleton]

Now please go back and show me how the Mossad figured in any and all of those incidents that were part of the setting up and framing of Oswald prior to the murder.

And then show me how the Mossad then was part of the team that stopped the doctors at Bethesda from doing a full autopsy that night. And show me how the Mossad convinced Hoover to go along with the cover up from the first day.

Its you who are dodging all this.

Come on.

Firstly, the owners of the 3 major TV stations, and hence their dozens of regional stations, were all fiercely pro-Israel. The media aggressively kept LHO in the frame for years. The interference Mark Lane endured at the hands of the media is well documented in "A Citizen's Dissent". Remember Johnny Carson's puerile efforts trying to silence Jim Garrison from stating his case? The media was and still is owned by those with more loyalty to Israel than to the US and the media played a massive role in framing LHO and keeping him there.

As for the autopsy, didn't LeMay and others bully the doctors? Israel wasn't the only party involved here. I'm not saying they were. The interests of Israel and others converged at many points. Many of the top military brass hated JFK, especially LeMay.

As for Hoover, he was another who detested JFK. Moreover, I believe Lansky had Hoover by the balls with those incriminating photos didn't he? Didn't Lansky and the Kosher Nostra entertain Hoover and his boyfriend at various racetracks? I've read that Lansky's hospitality even went so far as furnishing Hoover and Tolson with first class tips from rigged races. There's an undeniable connection between Hoover and Lansky, Lansky and Israel, and therefore an indirect but strong link between Hoover and Israel.

No-one's dodging anything. The pitfalls and hurdles you are trying to place in the way of this thread's theme don't, on close inspection, really exist at all.

[Charles Drago]

Mark,

So that I understand your reasoning:

Curtis LeMay was fiercely pro-American. Therefore, is America a Sponsor of JFK's assassination?

Thanks,

Charles

[Albert Doyle]

I believe the sympathies, loyalties, and obvious connections Piper/Stapleton point out here are legitimate and real and directly related to the Assassination. (Though I doubt the media was directly acting for Israel and was more likely acting for the American status quo influenced by zionist sympathies) CIA was seeking power as a shadow government and they were doing so with the assistance of Mossad/Israel who worked this divide in their favor. Just as CIA tried to undermine JFK's power with Cuba they did the same thing with Israel. Angleton helped smuggle nuclear materiel behind Kennedy's back strengthening this covert bond. This was furthered by a covert funding method overseen by Lansky/CIA through those Bahamian banks.


The elephant in the room here is Echevarria. I have yet to see anyone tackle what exactly he meant by his comment?

[Peter Lemkin]

Mark,

So that I understand your reasoning:

Curtis LeMay was fiercely pro-American. Therefore, is America a Sponsor of JFK's assassination?

Thanks,

Charles

Well, sadly, through the average taxpayer 'America' was a 'sponsor' and financier [if unknowingly] of the JFK Assassination...but I twist you meaning and logic and do not mean to Charles. Mark....your logic is not. You have Judeophobia - it seems a terminal case. Israel has done many less than savory things. It has power disproportionate to its size and population - however, your PATHOLOGICAL obsession with it and with anti-Semitism, generally are both boring and misleading....and dangerous - I might add. You once seemed brighter than that...but I guess not.

[Charles Drago]

CIA was seeking power as a shadow government and they were doing so with the assistance of Mossad/Israel who worked this divide in their favor.

Yeah, right. The tool is in fact the client who hires the architect who engages the general contractor who engages subcontractors who employ craftsmen and laborers who use tools to ...

Your DPSAT scores aren't looking good, Albert..

[David Josephs]

I believe the sympathies, loyalties, and obvious connections Piper/Stapleton point out here are legitimate and real and directly related to the Assassination. (Though I doubt the media was directly acting for Israel and was more likely acting for the American status quo influenced by zionist sympathies) CIA was seeking power as a shadow government and they were doing so with the assistance of Mossad/Israel who worked this divide in their favor. Just as CIA tried to undermine JFK's power with Cuba they did the same thing with Israel. Angleton helped smuggle nuclear materiel behind Kennedy's back strengthening this covert bond. This was furthered by a covert funding method overseen by Lansky/CIA through those Bahamian banks.


The elephant in the room here is Echevarria. I have yet to see anyone tackle what exactly he meant by his comment?

The elephant being that "our new backers are Jews"... yet you seem to forget this was uttered on Nov 21, 1963...
"we now have plenty of money... our new backer are Jews - as soon as 'we' (or 'they') take care of Kennedy..." Doesn't that strike you as a little late for the 11/22 hit?

To be honest Albert... I do not think one statement has anything to do with the other... the BACKERS were for Homer's group to invade Cuba and obviously Homer knows something about what's going to happen to Kennedy... then again the Cubans had been talking with the CIA about JFK for some time. Homer is adamant about checking into whether Mosley is CIA... his group does not seem to want any more CIA around... if the CIA was working with this group in association with JFK, Homer getting his weapons from the CIA should not be such a big deal... right?

On page 367 of the Echevarria document is a list of weapons and explosives Homer and his Cuban buddy ask Mosley about... again, not exactly Dallas type preparation... and this occurs on Nov 28th... not BEFORE the assassination. AFTER the assassination the concentration shifted from Cuba to Vietnam leaving these groups to fend for themselves... the Mafia, CA and Anti-Castro Cubans had not forgotten... they wanted their island back... I personally have not researched Cuba from 1963 - 1970 to see how much more "activity" there was between these groups in deposing Castro... with Vietnam happeneing, it seems that our little Cuban problem 90 miles off the coast, was really not much of a problem after all....

The following is a list of JEWS in and around the Mafia... if Meyer Lansky gets involved... or if RUBY is delivering money or is seen as the new MONEY guy (didn't Lorenz also say Ruby showed up with a bunch of money, went into a back room and when they came out, there were no more concerns over money.. this was within days of the assassination... right?) then we have Mafia JEWS backing Cubans to attack Castro...

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...PageId=164

This HSCA report on Echevarria does not include the "new backers are Jews" line from the report.... and tells us the FBI was given responsibility to investigate E.. and they promptly dropped the ball...
IF this new money source were the Jews of the Mafia... AND we are aware that Lansky was the one with the incriminating photo of Hoover/Tolson... we can see why nothing was follow-ed up.

But to make the leap from "Jews" to "Mossad" is quite a big one... Jews, like blacks at this time, were fairly easily identifiable and NOT welcome in many circles... which JEWS do you think he was talking about?

I think if incumbant on anyone who makes that connection to support it with Evidence of some sort... right?

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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Hyman Abrams
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Lieutenant of Boston Mobster Charles Solomon during Prohibition. Later financed syndicate Las Vegas casinos with Meyer Lansky, Carl Cohen and Jack Entratter during the 1950s and 60s.
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Abe Bernstein
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Detroit mobster and leader of The Purple Gang. After the end of Prohibition, he ran syndicate gambling operations in Miami up until his death in 1968.
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Herbert Blitzstein
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Loanshark and bookmaker for the Chicago Outfit during the 1950s and 60s. He was the top lieutenant of Anthony Spilotro when he and his crew were sent to Las Vagas.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Isadore "Kid Cann" Blumenfeld
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Minneapolis mobster who ran the city's underworld from the 1920s until his conviction for violating the Mann Act in 1957. Later retired to Miami Beach where he and Meyer Lansky operated a real estate empire and were involved in syndicate operations in Miami and Havana up until his death in 1981.
[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Moe Dalitz
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Leader of the Mayfield Road Gang during Prohibition. He was later involved the development of syndicate gaming in Las Vegas during the 1940s and 50s.
[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Stanley Diamond
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Associate member of the Lucchese crime family associated with Henry Hill and Jimmy Burke during the 1970s.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]John Factor
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]British-born Chicago gangster and con artist associated with the Chicago Outfit whose staged 1933 kidnapping resulted in the wrongful conviction of Roger Touhy. He later became a prominent businessman and casino owner in Las Vegas 1950s and 60s.
[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Harry Greenberg
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]An associate and childhood friend of Bugsy Siegel, he later worked for Charlie "Lucky" Luciano and Meyer Lansky.
[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Andrei Katz
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Romanian-born mobster associated with the Gambino crime family. Killed by the DeMeo crew in 1975 after agreeing to become a government informant.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Hyman Lamer
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]A close associate of Sam Giancana, he headed gambling and smuggling operations for the Chicago Outfit during the 1960s and 70s.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Meyer Lansky
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]One of the major underworld figures of the 20th century. He was involved in the formation of the National Crime Syndicate and helped organize syndicate gambling operations in Cuba and Las Vegas.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Joseph Linsey
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Lieutenant of Boston mobster Charles Solomon during Prohibition. After Solomon's death in 1933, he and other associates split Solomon's territory between themselves.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Harry Rosen
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Major bootlegger in Philadelphia during Prohibition. He was a member of the Big Seven and later involved in drug trafficking with Meyer Lansky during the 1930s.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]One of the top sports handicappers in the United States during his lifetime. Secretly ran several syndicate casinos for the Chicago Outfit, most notably the Stardust, throughout the 1960s and 70s.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Lou Rothkopf
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Longtime associate of Meyer Lansky, he was a member of the Bug and Meyer Mob during Prohibition. Later ran syndicate gambling operations in Cleveland with Moe Dalitz, Jack Licavoli, Maurice Kleinman and Thomas Jefferson McGinty.
[/TD]
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Moe Sedway
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]Lieutenant of New York mobster Meyer Lansky. Later involved in running syndicate casinos in Las Vegas during the 1940s and 50s.
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[TD="class: xl67"]Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66"]New York mobster associated with Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello and Charles "Lucky" Luciano during Prohibition. Credited for the creation of syndicate casinos in Las Vegas during the 1940s.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Joseph "Doc" Stacher
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]An associate of Abner Zwillman and Meyer Lansky. Assisted Lansky in organizing the Atlantic City Conference and later in financing syndicate casinos in Las Vegas. Deported from the US in 1964 and later emigrated to Israel where he died years later.
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[TD="class: xl67, width: 178, bgcolor: transparent"]Harry Tietlebaum
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl66, width: 918, bgcolor: transparent"]An associate of the Bug and Meyer Mob during Prohibition. Later part of a major heroin smuggling operation with Meyer Lansky and Harry "Nig" Rosen during the early 1930s.
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