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08-07-2012, 04:47 PM
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monk "It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep." James Hepburn -- Farewell America (1968)
09-07-2012, 02:42 AM
Thanks for that post Mr Burnham. Those of us over age 60 can recall those happenings as they occurred for the most part. Yes indeed, history as it happened. Admittedly, a lot of the importance of the times I may not have comprehended then, but hopefully I do now.
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09-07-2012, 03:53 AM
LR Trotter Wrote:Thanks for that post Mr Burnham. Those of us over age 60 can recall those happenings as they occurred for the most part. Yes indeed, history as it happened. Admittedly, a lot of the importance of the times I may not have comprehended then, but hopefully I do now. You're welcome. It's not a bad piece of music either. Billy Joel is an artist. The melodic and lyrical capturing of a complex time in history...capsulation, yet without diminishment...no small feat.
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monk "It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep." James Hepburn -- Farewell America (1968)
09-07-2012, 06:01 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-07-2012, 01:51 AM by Adele Edisen.)
Greg Burnham Wrote:LR Trotter Wrote:Thanks for that post Mr Burnham. Those of us over age 60 can recall those happenings as they occurred for the most part. Yes indeed, history as it happened. Admittedly, a lot of the importance of the times I may not have comprehended then, but hopefully I do now. Thank you, Greg. Fabulous video. And thank you, L.R. for your comments. And for those researchers who giggle and laugh at Lyndon Johnson, as if it were some kind of phony ruse by Johnson in telling Justice Earl Warren that many millions of American lives were at stake if he didn't head the Commission to "resolve" the John Kennedy assassination. He wanted Warren to head the Commission as someone who had credentials of unimpeachable authority. He didn't want the inquiry to get out of hand and stir up more hysteria. He also worked hard to get Senator Richard Russell, his trusted friend, to be his eyes and ears as a member of that Commission. If you recall, Russell did not buy the conclusion of the 4 other members (Warren, Dulles, McCloy, Ford) of the Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin. Senator Cooper and Rep. Boggs agreed with Russell. Their dissents were not included in the Report of the Commission. We were told by radio on the afternoon of Friday November 22, 1963, that a communist had killed the President, before Lee Harvey Oswald had been captured and charged with the crime. The CIA's "Wurlitzer" was already grinding out the message. (Wurlitzer was the brand name of a musical organ used in silent movie theaters = CIA's name for its own propaganda machine.) Lyndon Johnson was being pressured to form the Commission. He preferred a Texas Court of Inquiry, Congressional Hearings, but finally relented late on Thursday, November 28, 1963, and announced the names of the seven Commission members late on Friday evenng, November 29, 1963. Source: THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION COVER-UP REVISITED by Dr. Donald Gibson. During the 1950s and 1960s children did practice exercises in their classrooms by hiding under their desks in the event of an atomic bombing. Many people built bomb shelters in their homes or backyards and stocked them with food and water supplies. Many thought of moving to countries in the Southern Hemisphere. My husband and I considered New Zealand or Australia, and some people did move there. It was no joking matter. Adele 
09-07-2012, 10:39 AM
Greg, thank you for Billy Joel's masterful capsule of time.
I used my brother's wind-up cap-shooting burp gun to take out Soviet tanks in Budapest, and Tom and Chuck and Mike and I set out to dig a fallout shelter in Chuck's back yard. Dr. Fred Schwartz brought his Christian Anti-Communist Crusade to my high school auditorium, and there was a pall over my grandparent's dining room when the wood floor radio announced the downing and capture of Francis Gary Powers. My fraternity brother and friend's father co-wrote Fail-Safe. What a tragedy. Not the black comedy of Dr. Strangelove: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, or the hopelessness of Alas, Babylon. The demonization of Oswald was complete, immediate, obviously arising out of Angleton's manipulation of the file, and the imposture of Mexico City. Donald Gibson suggests it was Dean Acheson who prompted the commission. Acheson's daughter was married to William Bundy. William and McGeorge were likely Dulles operatives. Kennedy is blown away What is left for me to say Just that he was in the way So they put in LBJ David's left to sing the song Can't we all just get along [ATTACH=CONFIG]3861[/ATTACH] 
09-07-2012, 01:34 PM
Greg Burnham Wrote:LR Trotter Wrote:Thanks for that post Mr Burnham. Those of us over age 60 can recall those happenings as they occurred for the most part. Yes indeed, history as it happened. Admittedly, a lot of the importance of the times I may not have comprehended then, but hopefully I do now. Greg: I have heard that a lot of kids learned history from this song. Love Billy Joel.
09-07-2012, 05:11 PM
We lived right outside of Washington DC in Maryland from 1958 to 1966. My dad was still working for Eisenhower until he left office so he needed to be close to the WH. In school, we had regularly scheduled "air raid" drills each week, but never on the same day of the week. It was random. There would be very loud public sirens that would blast from all over the city at the same time and all of us would first "duck and cover" before being herded away to some area predetermined to be safe, I suppose. It was quite frightening because each drill was always treated as "the real deal" and the effect of alarm never was mitigated by our previous experience.
Apparently the teaching staff had been trained thoroughly in keeping the state of hyper-alarmism fresh in the minds of school children. Yet, in the 3 years I attended schools in the DC/Maryland area never was I-- nor were my fellow students--so scared as we were on the afternoon of November 22nd, 1963. And there wasn't even an air raid siren alarm sounding off...
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monk "It is difficult to abolish prejudice in those bereft of ideas. The more hatred is superficial, the more it runs deep." James Hepburn -- Farewell America (1968) 
09-07-2012, 09:06 PM
A few years back I looked into the song as I remembered it was pretty big.
It turned out BJ got himself in a whole heap of shit for the song. I think it was settled out of court for plagarising REM's "It's the end of the World". But I'd always thought there was enough differences with the songs myself. Anyhow Joel's always been a guy who wears his influences on his sleeve. Help, he's a huge Beatles fan still. I think the bad blood is because he didn't give any credit to Stipe and the lads. Ahhh well, I like the lyrical content of both songs. Nonetheless, I always liked Living Colours 'Cult of Personalty' it's crunchy as hell and the lyrics. Vernon Reid's guitar is brilliant. Good ole Black English metalist. "Realise Nobel Prize, when a leader speaks that leader dies" Pan to shot of MLK. Genius! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
11-07-2012, 01:42 PM
Phil Dragoo said:
Quote:Donald Gibson suggests it was Dean Acheson who prompted the commission. Acheson's daughter was married to William Bundy. William and McGeorge were likely Dulles operatives. That says Wall Street all over it, and the CIA works for Wall Street. Thank you, Phil, for your comments, and for that picture of David R. on the money bag. Eugene Rostow, Dean of the Law School at Yale University, was the first to suggest a commission to William Moyers, Press Secretary to President Johnson, on Sunday, November 24, 1963, shortly after the death of Lee Harvey Oswald. He recommended that the commission "be bi-partisan and above politics - no Supreme Court justices but people like Tom Dewey and Bill Story from Texas and so on. A commission of seven or nine people, maybe Nixon, I don't know, to look into the whole affair of the murder of the President because world opinion and American opinion is just now so shaken by the behavior of the Dallas Police that they're not believing anything." Rostow also relayed the same message to Walter Jenkins, aide to Johnson, and before Moyers and Jenkins, he had spoken with Nicholas Katzenbach, Acting Attorney General. Johnson was not receptive to the idea of a commission at this point. On the morning of the 25th Johnson received a call from Joseph Alsop, newspaper columnist. Alsop began a flattering, cajoling conversation leading toward formation of a commission, which Johnson resisted. Alsop advised him to speak with Dean Acheson, who may have had the most influence on him, and to Dean Rusk, Secretary of State. Other early supporters of the idea of a commission were Alfred Friendly and Katherine Graham of the Washington Post newspaper, and Russell Wiggins. Johnson had conversations with J. Edgar Hoover, who was opposed to the idea of a commission, and with many others. On Thursday, November 28, Johnson had been transformed to approve the idea of a commission and he called Senator James Eastland to ask him to shut down his Committree to investigate the assassination, and he did the same for the House of Representatives committee. On Friday evening Johnson announced the composition of the Commission, generally called the Warren Commission, but Donald Gibson would have named it the Rostow Commission or the McCloy-Dulles Commission because Allen Dulles and John McCloy dominated it. Both were strongly linked to Wall Street elements. Dulles had been fired by Kennedy from his position as Director of the CIA. McCloy was David Rockefeller's lawyer and former High Commissioner of Germany during the Nurenberg Trials, allowing many Nazis to be set free. Adele
11-07-2012, 03:04 PM
Seamus Coogan Wrote:A few years back I looked into the song as I remembered it was pretty big.Wow Seamus, I did not know that. I love the REM song ( It's the End of the world as we know it) - and I do not consider it at all any sort of plagarism. Now George Harrison's My Sweet Lord and the early 60's song He's So Fine is another matter entirely. That may have been done innocently on George's part, but nonethe less you can't hear Harrison's song w/o thinking of the Chiffon's. But I have never heard We Didn't Start the fire and think of ITEOTWAWKI. So I don't see why Joel had to give Stipe any damn credit. And yes Billy Joel is on record as being a huge Beatles fan, while I read an interview with Stipe one time where her referred to the Beatles as elevator music. What a dipshit, in my opinion. Now I have to hear both songs. And will post them on fb. REM and Joel I mean. At lunch. Since it's nine and this is a dman work day. In Canada we had no "duck and cover" .... Dawn |
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