02-04-2014, 06:34 AM (This post was last modified: 02-04-2014, 08:21 AM by LR Trotter.)
My little short legged Rat Terrier, as brave as she is, need not jump off the porch and join any Big Dog fights. But, I have looked around a little searching for the date of Lee Harvey Oswald's Mastoidectomy, and other than a referencing of the year 1945, and his age being 6 years, I was unable to find a date. If it occured when he was age 6, of course that would mean on or after October 18, 1945. I believe that the date of the Tonsillectomy, as listed on the National Life & Accident Insurance Company life insurance application, was January 17, 1945. So I wonder, as I wander, if a possibility exists that a Mastoidectomy was misstated as a Tonsillectomy? Or possibly the Insurance Agent misunderstood what was said? A third possibility, at least to me, is maybe a "Tonsillitis Treatment" was either misstated or misunderstood as a "Tonsillectomy". We have a Mother, Marguerite Claverie Pic Oswald, applying for an insurance policy and dealing with an Insurance Agent wanting to sell the policy. And, I would think a mistake on the form is quite possible. On the other hand, maybe I'm missing something. I try to know what I know, but I try much harder to know what I don't know, due to volume.
That being said, I am convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was impersonated, at least in the early 1960s, but I am on the fence to the degree. As previously stated, I have not read "Harvey and Lee", but I have seen a lot of the discussion and internet posted portions of the book.
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LR Trotter Wrote:My little short legged Rat Terrier, as brave as she is, need not jump off the porch and join any Big Dog fights. But, I have looked around a little searching for the date of Lee Harvey Oswald's Mastoidectomy, and other than a referencing of the year 1945, and his age being 6 years, I was unable to find a date. If it occured when he was age 6, of course that would mean on or after October 18, 1945. I believe that the date of the Tonsillectomy, as listed on the National Life & Accident Insurance Company life insurance application, was January 17, 1945. So I wonder, as I wander, if a possibility exists that a Mastoidectomy was mistated as a Tonsillectomy? Or possibly the Insurance Agent misunderstood what was said? A third possibility, at least to me, is maybe a "Tonsillitis Treatment" was either misstated or misunderstood as a "Tonsillectomy". We have a Mother, Marguerite Claverie Pic Oswald, applying for an insurance policy and dealing with an Insurance Agent wanting to sell the policy. And, I would think a mistake on the form is quite possible. On the other hand, maybe I'm missing something. I try to know what I know, but I try much harder to know what I don't know, due to volume.
That being said, I am convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was impersonated, at least in the early 1960s, but I am on the fence to the degree. As previously stated, I have not read "Harvey and Lee", but I have seen a lot of the discussion and internet posted portions of the book.
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Larry,
I am not posting at present due to the ludicrous reasons given for being put on moderation and having a thread made invisible. But this deserves to be an exception as I believe you may have provided a solution. You can forget any mix-up between tonsillectomy and mastoidectomy. That doesn't float on just about every ground I can think of. But "tonsil treatment" being put down as "tonsillectomy"? That sounds plausible.
Even more so when you consider that Philben advertised that he did pediatrics only.
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If this is not posted here by the mods, you will find it in the Harvey & Lee section at my site. I will give them a chance to post it first. Two hours seems fair enough.
Interesting thought, but, as you say, Marguerite indicated the tonsillectomy was performed on January 17, 1945 by Dr. Philben. According to the FBI, admittedly always suspect, the mastoidectomy was performed Feb. 8, 1946 by Dr. C.E. Ball at Harris Hospital.
Bill Simpich Wrote:I just went through this whole thread.
Both sides in the argument made a number of really good points.
I found myself switching sides several times.
Unfortunately, the name-calling made it a pretty unpleasant experience to read.
I can only imagine what it was like for you guys.
Without trying to be holier-than-thou (because I'm not), could everyone try to disagree in an amicable fashion?
The personal insults poison the well.
It's particularly tragic because you all have some powerful insights.
I think part of the problem - whether we're talking about acoustics, blood-spatter, medicine or firearms - is that
it's very frustrating to deal with specialized and technical information.
When the lawyers get involved, it's not any better - the experts are referred to as "plaintiff's whore" and
"defense whore".
I think the best way to approach this type of discussion is with a high degree of humility.
Bill, sadly it's the nature of this critical community. And always has been. (Excuse me as I am a lawyer
On a different note I have been told you are being put down on another forum. Your work that is.
The "new one" where you are not permitted to mention DPF. (This was told to me.) And I hear I am ridiculed on Greg Parker's forum. I don't go there.
I have more than I can keep up with here where there are lots of other topics non-JFK that
I have a huge interest in. Here if people flame they get warned, then put on moderation after we all discuss it in depth.
Dawn
It has been brought to my attention by an extremely reliable source that that the claims that I am being "ridiculed at Greg Parker's forum" are unfounded. PLEASE, if someone is going to email or PM me making such a claim provide proof. Seem I may owe Greg an apology.
Dawn
Also I am off to court but glanced at Greg's most recent post and it should be approved. I need to dig out the directions to do this and have to leave shortly for court.
So in the mid-40's Marguerite wasn't averse to surgery on the young boy. FBI had no interest in pursing the tonsillectomy even though they had the name of the local Dallas doctor.
Albert Doyle Wrote:So in the mid-40's Marguerite wasn't averse to surgery on the young boy. FBI had no interest in pursing the tonsillectomy even though they had the name of the local Dallas doctor.
Mr Doyle, maybe the FBI did not consider information entered on an insurance application to be sufficent "evidence" of a tonsillectomy. I know that I had a tonsillectomy in about 1953, when I was about age 6. The stand alone hospital/clinic where the surgery was done has been non-existent for about 50 years, and I wonder, as I wander, if records for that surgery can be found. I do recall being ill, and the discomfort of recovery. But, I mostly remember the "absence" of "all the Sherbet Ice Cream I can eat."
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Albert Doyle Wrote:So in the mid-40's Marguerite wasn't averse to surgery on the young boy. FBI had no interest in pursing the tonsillectomy even though they had the name of the local Dallas doctor.
Mr Doyle, maybe the FBI did not consider information entered on an insurance application to be sufficent "evidence" of a tonsillectomy. I know that I had a tonsillectomy in about 1953, when I was about age 6. The stand alone hospital/clinic where the surgery was done has been non-existent for about 50 years, and I wonder, as I wander, if records for that surgery can be found. I do recall being ill, and the discomfort of recovery. But, I mostly remember the "absence" of "all the Sherbet Ice Cream I can eat."
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That doesn't line up with the Commission's meticulous pursuit of other trivial evidence. Philben was right there in town available for the askin'.
Jim Hargrove Wrote:Interesting thought, but, as you say, Marguerite indicated the tonsillectomy was performed on January 17, 1945 by Dr. Philben. According to the FBI, admittedly always suspect, the mastoidectomy was performed Feb. 8, 1946 by Dr. C.E. Ball at Harris Hospital.
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Thanks Jim. The reference I saw earlier indicated that the Mastoidectomy occurred when LHO was age 6, but the year was 1945. Quite likely, with the birth year being 1939, adding his age would then equal 1945, without regards for his birth month of October, and the surgery month being February. Just a guess of course, but quite possible.
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LR Trotter Wrote:My little short legged Rat Terrier, as brave as she is, need not jump off the porch and join any Big Dog fights. But, I have looked around a little searching for the date of Lee Harvey Oswald's Mastoidectomy, and other than a referencing of the year 1945, and his age being 6 years, I was unable to find a date. If it occured when he was age 6, of course that would mean on or after October 18, 1945. I believe that the date of the Tonsillectomy, as listed on the National Life & Accident Insurance Company life insurance application, was January 17, 1945. So I wonder, as I wander, if a possibility exists that a Mastoidectomy was mistated as a Tonsillectomy? Or possibly the Insurance Agent misunderstood what was said? A third possibility, at least to me, is maybe a "Tonsillitis Treatment" was either misstated or misunderstood as a "Tonsillectomy". We have a Mother, Marguerite Claverie Pic Oswald, applying for an insurance policy and dealing with an Insurance Agent wanting to sell the policy. And, I would think a mistake on the form is quite possible. On the other hand, maybe I'm missing something. I try to know what I know, but I try much harder to know what I don't know, due to volume.
That being said, I am convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was impersonated, at least in the early 1960s, but I am on the fence to the degree. As previously stated, I have not read "Harvey and Lee", but I have seen a lot of the discussion and internet posted portions of the book.
::vroom::
Larry,
I am not posting at present due to the ludicrous reasons given for being put on moderation and having a thread made invisible. But this deserves to be an exception as I believe you may have provided a solution. You can forget any mix-up between tonsillectomy and mastoidectomy. That doesn't float on just about every ground I can think of. But "tonsil treatment" being put down as "tonsillectomy"? That sounds plausible.
Even more so when you consider that Philben advertised that he did pediatrics only.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5842[/ATTACH] "PRACTICE LIMITED TO PEDIATRICS"
If this is not posted here by the mods, you will find it in the Harvey & Lee section at my site. I will give them a chance to post it first. Two hours seems fair enough.
Thanks Greg, and after seeing Mr Hargrove's post with the Mastoidectomy record, I agree. As for a "Tonsillitis Treatment" being called a "Tonsillectomy", if that did happen, I would doubt it was the first time, and certainly not the last.
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I think Marguerite would have been briefed in the fact the osteopathic method was not a tonsillectomy. So I feel Greg violates his own level of cynicism.
