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The Sept 17 Mexican Tourist Visa application is a fraud too
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I was reading State Secret again for some background on Mexico and found where it mentions that Oswald's tourist visa was actually good for 15 days AFTER he gets to Mexico as opposed to the hurried leaving we are treated to due to it being 15 days from Sept 17 to Oct 2nd.

This application is CE2481. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0354b.htm A few things don't add up here.

Oswald is quoted as saying he did NOT bring his birth certificate to Russia, that it was at his mother's house even up to the day of the assassination and most definitely while he supposedly applied for this visa and supposedly went to Mexico. From what I understand, what we have from Oswald is a Certification that he was born, not the actual Birth Certificate. Plus Hoovers earlier concern over the birth certificate... Either way it seems odd.

The 2nd page of the exhibit shows the entire bottom of the application. The notice on this application explains the TOURIST CARD must be used within 90 days (as State Secret mentions) yet is "VALID FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS STAY IN MEXICO FROM DATE OF ENTRY."


This is an FM-5 application, not an FM-8. WCD735 p77 https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archi...eId=353304 tells us this is a XEROX of the application, not the original.
When completed it SHOULD be good for 180 days not 15. By categorizing it as an FM-8 from Spet 17 and fudging a bit on the rules - the evidence helps create a sense of urgency that did not need to be. Oswald had been doing Pro-Castro work for an Anti-Castro group of Intelligence related assets all summer creating the illusions he was PRO-CASTRO (and Ruby helps us to remember the name of the FPCC). Nagell tells Hoover something big is to happen to JFK between Sept 26-28. Ruth Paine takes Marina and children back to her home on the 23rd. If there was supposed to be an impersonator on these buses, an impersonator to leave the impression in the minds of others that OSWALD took this trip, the job was about as poorly done as could be for each step of the way is fraught with conflicts and contradictions. They can idnetify EVERYONE who may have traveled with this person from the records so they could be asked if they saw Oswald (none did of course except for 2 and only 2 people who I show were not even on the same bus as the one Oswald was claimed to be on) yet no evidence that our man Oswald secured travel arrangements for his piece-meal journey.


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As the evidence goes... a Mr. Tijerina, a ticket agent at the Laredo Greyhound station, takes the info from the FM-11 (master list of FM-5 and 8's) and types up 2 3x5 cards, one for the entry and one for the exit.
That this activity happened on Nov 23rd and given to Chapman on the 24th... the report of it is not until Feb 21 '64 and is significant in the scheme of hiding the truth within the evidence. The back-peddling over AUTO becomes quite hilarious and hopefully I illustrate this effectively in my work. We are also to remember that the following is the SOURCE of the key elements of evidence, the FM-8 which reflects what is on these 3x5 cards and the FM-11 original which for some strange reason alphabetizes HARVEY OSWALD LEE between "MO" & "OU", as if he was treated like his name was Oswald and not LEE.

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This information is relayed to the FBI on Nov 23 and a copy of the FM-8 appears on the 24th. https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archi...elPageId=2

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It is at this point that the FBI needs to put Oswald on a bus as opposed to "Viaja en Auto" - there after the visa application mentions bus travel, and the FM-8 which should be an FM-5
give us the "Valida por 15 Dias" and proof by ACTA NACIMIENTO - "birth certificate" with a handwritten - "American"

There is of course much, much more which corroborates that these documents, comprising EVIDENCE, is the Conspiracy.

One interesting thought is that with Oswald leaving by AUTO we see the continuation of the "conspiracy charade" since his leaving via a car suggests much more than a loner taking the bus. The evidence offered for what didn't occur in Mexico City is for a Phase 1 communist conspiracy which takes JFK's life. His leaving WITH PEOPLE after what Alvarado and Duran claim to say builds a strong Phase 1 case against Mr. O. Yet as we know, Phase 1 becomes the LONE NUT Phase 2 and we can witness day by day the dismantling of this evidence in favor of the LONE NUT. Problem remains though... since Oswald was never there and if there was an impersonator sent to leave a trail of breadcrumbs to Oswald's door he did a very poor job during the TRAVEL phase of the plan. As I wrote in my articles, a simple 4-part ticket to Mexico City and back to Dallas on the days desired would have done it easily.

What we find, like the timing of getting Oswald to the window at 12:30, is that each piece of the journey has its own set of problems and no corroborative evidence. The evidence for this trip was built based on when he needed to be where, not on the wake of someone actually taking a trip. The Mystery Man photos were all taken on October 2nd at 12:22 or after. So by default he left on the FRONTERA 2pm bus... until the FBI figured our that he could not get to Dallas in time for his TEC appointment or his checking into the YMCA at 4:30 local time, given the connections available. The FRONTERA manifest was rewritten on the spot by one Arturo Bosch.

The story continues as to why the trip reverts back to the Del Norte line which in turn brings us to more fraudulent evidence created after the fact. It is my opinion that our Oswald was at ODIO's on Sept 27th having left with 2 cubans and stopping in Austin on the way. (proof in Article one) And that he stays in Dallas until he calls Marina on the 4th of Oct - (which amazingly enough is known to the Dallas FBI and that it was a Long Distance Call to Irving)

The man they were keeping tabs on all thru the Summer of 1963 simply disappears... surfaces in Mexico City, one of the most US Intelligence services rich spots in the world, and the ONLY evidence of his being there or having traveled there is confiscated by Mexican Authorities with information provided by US Customs (which like the SS is part of the Treasury Dept) on the morning of Nov 23rd.

The final part of my 4-part series on the evidence of this travel at CTKA will hopefully tie up all the loose ends. Regardless of the purpose of the Cuban/Russian/Alvarado/Duran incrimintate Lee HENRY Oswald was, it cannot remove the fraud from these details which in turn makes the rest of the trip something that it does not readily appear to be. This is part 3: http://www.ctka.net/2014-Josephs/Mexico%...t%202.html


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This whole thing related to the FM-? application nagged at me as I have become keenly aware that since each piece of FBI generated evidence is crap, there must be something below this tip of the iceberg.

So I went back to the exhibit to find that there are two version. Page 1 of the exhibit does not have the signature or any of the info at the bottom regarding the 6 month stay whcih would ID it as a FM-5 application.
Page 2 of the same exhibit is the bottom of this form which cuts off the manual visa number at the top.

So I overlaid them to see what was what... there was no reason to cut this form into two parts... so why did they?

The white lines are where one page ends and the other begins... the center is the overlap. You suppose this application could have been created after the fact by our man LEE?

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Whoever it was they clearly filled out a form that designated a 6 month stay.
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