The Decline and Fall of Jim Fetzer

[Jim DiEugenio]

If anything else, this shows that Fetzer has become an Alex Jones ranter.

In almost each case, he discards the point I made to go off on something I did not bring up.

1. I love the point about the fragments of the head shot. Fetzer says he looked at them and can tell they are not the head and tail of the same bullet. Oh really Jim? How can you do that?

2. Then he goes off and says he thinks he knows the guy with the bucket outside the car. That is not the point. Its if anyone tracked him down and talked to him. Did he? My God, he actually uses Nigel Turner as testimony for himself here. Please do not get me started on Nigel Turner. In the last 25 years, no one has done more to help hinder us than that guy.

3. He completely ignores my criticism of the Holt identification as one of the tramps. He says that Jerry Rose endorsed Lois Gibson's presentation on the Three Tramps being Rogers, Harrelson and Hunt?

I was at the ASK conference when Lois and two others first presented this stuff in Dallas. It met with universal disbelief. First, someone said that Holt did not deliver any pre-printed handbills, as he was saying he did, since Garrison discovered where they were printed at and who printed them, and then Oswald hand stamped them at Banister's office. About four other people, including Jerry Rose, jumped up and screamed that this presentation was preposterous because the photo identifications did not even come close to being convincing, especially with Holt and Hunt. Rose was livid. So somehow Jerry did a 180 on this? I mean even Lamar Waldron would not buy into Holt, even though he spent four hours with the man.

Note that Fetzer ignores the LaFontaines work on this issue and them finding the police documents which accompanied the booking of the three tramps.

4. When you have to bring up Billy Sol Estes to support Madeleine Brown, I mean isn't it time to throw in the towel? I mean does Fetzer understand what he is doing? And then Barr McClellan and Nigel Turner again? Note, he does not specifically refer to the work Seamus Coogan did on this, he just wants you to ignore it. That is very slick by Fetzer, because Seamus all but makes it certain that these guys could not have been there.

There was a final approval of the operation the night before at a public party? Really? Who was the CIA rep there?

5. LBJ was Jewish? What is the proof of that? Please do not say its because he dedicated a synagogue?

Jim DiEugenio is concealing those responsible for the murder of JFK? In the second edition of Destiny Betrayed, I actually named the people I think are responsible. But beyond that, I even described what I think they did and what reveals their involvement. Did none of these "authorities" read my book? I make a heck of a better case then they do.

6. Fetzer says he created MIDP out of wholecloth. If you are an editor of a book, and you only write about 35 pages of the text, you are not a creator. You went around and asked for submissions. Something many people could have done in the JFK community.

For him to say he blew up the medical evidence in the JFK case is a bit ridiculous. Probe Magazine was published from 1993-2000. We did many,many articles on the medical evidence by people like Mili Cranor, who probably knows more about the medical evidence than anyone. In fact we printed Doug Horne's two brain examination essay. Groden and Livingstone's High Treason came out in 1989, and Lifton's book came out even before that. All before MIDP came out. Talk about megalomania.

7. Three salvoes of three shots? Sort of like a nine gun salute then. Some covert operation.

8. One of the craziest comments in this crazy segment is that somehow I am part of the Israeli effort to boost the Warren Report? Is that what one of these fruits said?

The idea that somehow I am an Israeli agent is nuts. In fact, because of my work on JFK's Middle East policy, people from the ADL have accused me of being anti Israel. Secondly, who the heck has done more than I have in razing the Warren Commission. I mean that is what Probe and CTKA do all day.

9. Fetzering does not mean you have no back up. It means that you insist you are right even when you are not.

That show is not evidence of how bad Fetzer has become, its an exhibit in and of itself.

[Albert Doyle]

Fetzer looks like a Dickensean caricature.


On page 267 of The Unspeakable Douglass discusses how Secret Service credentials were issued by Sidney Gottlieb's CIA Technical Services Division. Since Gottlieb would be a perfect in-house source for original ID's and may have even been a part of the assassination with his mind control abilities, the plotters would hardly have needed to go to Holt for any forged ID's. The man flashing that Secret Service ID, Bernard Barker, was a regular CIA black op actor who would not have relied on Holt for such a thing. Most likely Fetzer has fallen for another Alvarado sent in to muddy up the Plaza.

Fetzer is like Judy Baker. After giving a long-winded, highly referenced reply and apology for his research it still doesn't wash.



I think Fetzer made a Freudian slip when he declared he made Murder In Dealey Plaza out of whole cloth. lol

In fact, because of my work on JFK's Middle East policy, people form the ADL have accused me of being anti Israel.

A good sign you're on to something.


If you watch Fetzer's rebuttal he's good at slipping into the role of a sincere and credible JFK researcher and staying within the commonly accepted conspiracy evidence. However a look at his rebuttal shows he conspicuously stays away from answering for some of his more nutty claims like destruction beams, holograms, and doorway man.

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[Jim DiEugenio]

Another point, note how he conveniently ignores the attacks he has made upon me, Lisa and Seamus.

While saying that I am attacking him.

I don't consider this an attack, its an expose, one that is long overdue.

[Jim DiEugenio]

BTW, in looking back at point number one I made about the head and tail fragments found in the car from the fatal head shot, Fetzer looks even worse.

See, if you look in Assassination Science, on page 352, Fetzer never states what is in the captions in the WC volumes for these two fragments, namely that they are from the same bullet.

Yet on his show, he implies that he knew that they were.

No go Jim. If you were going to contest what the WC said, you owed it to your readers to acknowledge what they said and then have a go at them. You can't just say, well it looks like they are from two bullets. That is not science, assassination or any category.

And for his group of Ed McMahons, for them to say that I pointed this out and therefore I accept the WR, that shows just what a ridiculous excuse The Real Deal is for a show, and how deceiving the name of the show is.

[Dawn Meredith]

Doesn't a nuclear explosion leave radioactivity?


Wouldn't a nuclear explosion at the bedrock base of the Tower have kinetically collapsed the building at that point? And doesn't this contradict the planted demolition charges theory?

We must keep in mind that we can only speculate about what kind of high-tech weapons the Pentagon and others have available to them today. Stuff that may sound like science fiction, but might be made public only 20 years from now.

That is exactly what I have been saying for years Tracy. We don't know WHAT brought down the towers we just know what did NOT.

[Tracy Riddle]

I'm pretty sure Fetzer used to blame military & intelligence people for the assassination, if I remember correctly. Now he seems to be blaming the Zionists?

[Jim DiEugenio]

Who the heck knows.

Now I think its a combination of intel, with LBJ and Israel.

He had one of his Ed McMahons do a hit piece on me for VT which said I was "ignoring" LBJ and Israel in my JFK work.

[Jonathan Nolan]

Diligent research exposed the STRATFOR puppeteering of alex jones; equally diligent research will expose the equivalent control for Fetzer's circus of oddities.

[Matthew Poe]

Jim,

Is it your position that there was no SS (or as Garrison might say elements within the SS) involvement with the hit? What about the published motorcade route, William Greer's full stop, the agent in the Z-film who lags behind the presidential limo, and the all around lax security in DP. Also Abraham Bolden. I'm not challenging you on it, really curious, because I always thought some sort of tacit cooperation--which may have manifested itself in "gross incompetence"--on their part was a given.

Maybe you've already published something on it and can point me in the right direction.

[Ashley Wood]

To demonstrate the power of 3 years of research/fact-checking by Fetzer - google "Jim Fetzer Paul McCartney" for this howler

"Not only does this explain away the mystery, but a very straightforward comparison of the two was provided as well:

In my opinion, this photographic comparison should have caused an acute mind like that of Kevin Barrett to pause and ask if he was not committing the premature rejection of the issue at stake, where Paul's face is rounder and has a decidedly younger appearance, while Billy's is longer and presents a more mature countenance. """"

Well that's from his Paul is dead blog.
Well Jim, in my opinion, this photographic comparison should have caused an acute mind to pause and check when the photographs were taken and ask if a premature rejection of the issue at stake was in fact the best option given the fundamental dating error in both cases.
So anyone else here studied The Beatles enough to be able to id pictures of them by their hairstyles? Come on now, Jim's been studying this case for 3 years.
What, have you people got jobs or something ?? I guess you guys are too busy worrying about the identity of Dark Complected Man and the Polka Dot Dress Girl.
So yes I am that sad person (and not proud of it). Fetzer bangs on about how he's spent 3 years studying this and yet one of his prime quotes on his blog is this picture comparison "from 1966".
Well Jim actually neither photo is from 1966. The one on the right is probably from 18th October 1967 (How I Won The War film premiere) and the one on the left looks like spring 64. It's def not from 66 or for that matter 65. You can tell by the hair.
I'd guess during the filming of A Hard Days Night feb to april - ish 64 ....i gave you one date, you figure out the other Fetz but that's approximately 3 1/2 years difference between the pictures rather than both being from 1966 which is clearly completely inaccurate.
Merely amateur Fab 4 fans can check this via the well known Zionist / freemason-run google images search engine !

It's worth pointing out too that on the date that Paul supposedly blew his mind out in a car in London (november 9th 1966, 9/11 geddit !!!), that good Sir Paul of Liddypool was actually in France. That's either commercial songwriting genius at it's best or Fetzer's not done his homework. It also didn't take place after an argument at a recording session on or around that date - they didn't regroup at Abbey Road till November 24th 1966. No time for a right hander to learn to play left handed bass or guitar on the Sgt Pepper album after that.
We should be giving a name to the polka dot dress girl or dark complected man, not having to deal with Fetzer (er, or dating pictures of celebrities by their haircuts hmmm...guilty as charged) . You guys go ahead with those two problems, i've got the Beatles haircut dating project sorted for now. Just need to look back over feb to april-ish 1964.
If we were to write off everything positive Fetzer has done (is there anything really significant ??), would it set back the research done by anyone like Jim D, Shane O'Sullivan, John Newman, Greg Parker, Barry Ernest, James Douglass et al. ?
I think not. I think it's probably ok to throw the baby out with the bathwater in this case.
Personally I wouldn't p*** on his face if his eyebrows were on fire. His Beatles research is rubbish and if you can't research what was possibly the most heavily documented and photographed group of individuals of any decade of the 20th century, then you can't be any good at research and should probably hang it up.
Jim if you're reading this I'd just like to point out that I'm not Jewish (in case that would make you and your "followers" suspicious of my motives) and if your eyebrows do catch fire, please give me a shout. I'm only a plane ride away.