What is James Chaney Looking Back at?

[Lauren Johnson]

I have placed a number of posts under Moderation including one of mine about which Mr. Norwood was so kind to express his displeasure. Now, no one has to defend their "honor," or whatever it is. If you think something important is missing, please PM me. I did edit some posts that included both invective and substance.

Now let's all play nice.

[Bob Prudhomme]

I thought there were a few posts missing. I was beginning to think I was having a "senior moment" or something.

[Albert Doyle]

Well, all infighting aside , how would they go about concealing a motorcycle passing the limousine when it stopped, and second, as many have asked, what would be the purpose of concealing this movement?

Because it would eliminate everything that occurred during that sequence and its significance (if it occurred). The present Z Film scenario backs the official story. There's something strange about this because there should be more people protesting the Z Film isn't what they saw and that Chaney sped ahead.

Here is another question; could a motorcycle have slipped by the limo, on the limo's right side, and be sufficiently out of the picture as to not appear on the Zapruder film?

That isn't where they were ordered to be.


Did Brugioni say anything about the original film showing Chaney's advance?

[Bob Prudhomme]

Hello Albert

As you say, that wasn't where they were ordered to be. However, they were also ordered not to leave the limo, regardless of what happened. How many of the original four motorcycles do you see keeping up with the limo as it races down the Stemmons Freeway?

[Richard Coleman]

In the famous Altgens 6 photo below, motorcycle officer James Chaney appears to be looking over his left shoulder at JFK. Of course, this is impossible, as the Zapruder film shows no motorcycle beside the limo.





However, if you feel strongly that Chaney is ahead of JFK, watch the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gcAQNunbM

In this interview, Chaney tells the reporter he passed JFK's limo and went ahead to inform Chief Curry, in the lead car, of JFK's wounds. This is not seen in the Zapruder film either, nor in this still from the Nix film.



Nor do we see a motorcycle, in Altgens' last photo, between JFK's limo and the lead car. When did Chaney pass the limo?

First of all, where does this copy of Altgens 6 come from? It's the best resolution I've ever seen.

Second, although nobody seems to care, notice the 4 black women also looking backwards. What were they seeing I wonder. And my favorite thing in this picture is the guy in the hard hat. I'd pay serious money (if I had any!) to know who he was.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Hi Richard

I found this photo on a Google search. I was impressed with it. too, and saved a copy for future use.

You're right, the man in the hard hat doesn't seem the least bit impressed by the fact the President is passing by, does he.

The other thing that bothers me about this photo is that, if it coincides with frame z255 of the Zapruder film and, as WC apologists maintain, the first shot occurred at z190, AND Zapruder's camera was running at 18.3 frames/second, the first shot would have occurred just over 3.5 seconds before this photo was taken. Oswald would have been almost directly above the bystanders. Plus, they would have been ahead of the muzzle of the rifle and, as any shooter will tell you, the sound is much louder in that position. Do they look as if they just heard a rifle being fired only 20 yards away from them? Not to me. I have heard many rifles fired in my time, and have seen reactions from people near a rifle being shot who did not anticipate that shot. The reaction is invariably instantaneous and obvious.

Perhaps James Altgens was telling the truth when he testified he snapped this photo almost at the moment of the first shot?

[Albert Doyle]

It's hard to believe perspective compression can make a person appear in a totally different position than they are but it can. Chaney could be near where Nix puts him and he could be looking across at the other motorcyclists.

The spectators could be looking at the follow-up car since it has Texan Lyndon in it. Or they could be in the process of turning towards what the Secret Service men are looking at.

It would be nice to know what Brugioni saw ala Chaney's alleged forward move.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Hi Albert

That is interesting, too. The four spectators and the two SS men are looking at something at ground level. The human ear is fairly good at sound location, and one would almost expect them to be looking upwards, if they were reacting to a shot from the 6th floor.

[David Andrews]

Bob,

If a bullet had penetrated the windshield from in front of the car and struck Kennedy in the throat, might any sound have seemed to come from behind the SS agents, Chaney, and pedestrians? Might they be looking back otherwise to see if anyone behind them was hit, to see if it really had been a gunshot? (Not yet knowing JFK was hit.)

Note also that in Altgens 6, it is the persons on JFK's right hand that are most affected. The motor cops on his left may be looking at the car for logistical reasons. Or are the cops looking at each other, asking WTF?, having all heard the sound? Hard to do an eyeline match with shades on.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Interesting idea, David. Kind of like the sound of the bullet hitting the glass being transferred to the other side of the glass, the sound waves from that travelling to the Dal-Tex Building, echoing off it and returning to the ears of the SS men?