12-01-2016, 01:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2016, 03:53 AM by David Josephs.)
Much has been written about whether Oswald was on the bus as identified by Bledsoe, McWatters and RM Jones.
I recently did a piece on the Rifle evidence which dovetails into the Bus Transfer since it, along with 5 incriminating bullets, were taken from Oswald within 15 minutes of the Markham line-up at 4:35pm 11/22
There are a number of arguments to be made about this part of the story - many of which I have made which are centered on Oswald having changed his shirt and pants at his room BEFORE leaving for the theater.
The evidence for such a change is rampant in the Oswald interrogation reports with no less than Bookout, Fritz, Hosty, and Kelley confirming he said he changed both pants and the long sleeve reddish button down shirt he wore to work.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0019a.htm Bookout
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0325b.htm Kelley
So one needs to ask whether Oswald would take an unused transfer out of his workshirt and transfer it to his Arrest shirt to go the theater while also grabbing loose bullets and shoving them into his pockets.
We must remember too that all the men writing their interrogation reports said he took a bus all the way and/or a bus and TRANSFER to his destination. Either way he would either 1) have used any transfer given to him or 2) did not ever get a transfer and was on the Marsalis bus the entire time (which stops a 10 min walk from his room at Marsalis and 5th)
More importantly is what FF YATES, McWATTERS and MILTON say about this man when the FBI finally gets around to writing a report on this activity in MARCH. 4+ months after the fact.
JONES has this man in a BLUE JACKET - 5'11" & 150lbs with only a possibility it was Oswald
McWATTERS recants his identification entirely - yet this peice of the pie seems not to have been mentioned very loudly
YATES tells us that he is unable to confirm which books McWatters had on Nov 22.
And finally... if Jones and McWatters are correct and it was NOT OSWALD, and he was wearing a blue jacket...
one wonders how she could see a hole in the elbow and 3 torn buttons when the faded grey work pants she ALSO described had been replaced by the almost black pair of arrest pants.
If one of the DPD cops were to help Bledsoe with her description of the shirt - looking at this image of 3 torn buttons, hole in the elbow and tucked into his pants, one might think she was helped along with her description... but those leaps of speculation are just that. How she could have seen the hole in the elbow while the man wore a jacket (even Whaley claimed he was wearing a blue jacket which matched his work clothing) remains a mystery.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there.
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt.
Mr. BALL - And unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is.
Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything on. Was the shirt open or was it buttoned?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; all the buttons torn off.
Mr. BALL - What did he have on underneath that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't know.
Mr. BALL - Do you know the color of any undershirt he had on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Notice the color of his pants?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, they were gray, and they were all ragged in here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Around where?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - At the seam.
Mr. BALL - At the waist?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - At the waist, uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - Was the shirt tucked beneath the belt in his pants, or outside the belt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it in.
Mr. BALL - Had it tucked in?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No: it was tucked in.
Mr. BALL - So, that the belt of the pants was outside the shirt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; uh-huh.
A transfer - claimed to be in the pocket of the accused with a most dubious chain of possession and origination - is simply not enough corroborated evidence to conclude it was given to him. While the description sounds a lot like LEE and would definitely cause confusion... maybe it was LEE in the bus and our man Harvey getting into the Rambler... IDK
What I do know is the evidence does not support our little man Oswald on the McWatters bus. And Much like the majority of Mexico City evidence, the simple and standard records which would corroborate the evidence are gone with no explanation and even less consideration for the truth.
(edit: it took McWatters less than 2 weeks to reconsider what he had said in WC testimony yet he lived months with the knowledge about who he identified as on his bus Nov 22. Does this suggest that McWatters was somehow "motivated" to identify #2 man Oswald or it was so obvious that Oswald was the one suspect in the line, he went along. How Bledsoe could know details of a shirt Oswald had yet on put on - or why his work shirt would have three torn buttons, just the same as his arrest shirt... is also a mystery)
I recently did a piece on the Rifle evidence which dovetails into the Bus Transfer since it, along with 5 incriminating bullets, were taken from Oswald within 15 minutes of the Markham line-up at 4:35pm 11/22
There are a number of arguments to be made about this part of the story - many of which I have made which are centered on Oswald having changed his shirt and pants at his room BEFORE leaving for the theater.
The evidence for such a change is rampant in the Oswald interrogation reports with no less than Bookout, Fritz, Hosty, and Kelley confirming he said he changed both pants and the long sleeve reddish button down shirt he wore to work.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0019a.htm Bookout
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0325b.htm Kelley
So one needs to ask whether Oswald would take an unused transfer out of his workshirt and transfer it to his Arrest shirt to go the theater while also grabbing loose bullets and shoving them into his pockets.
We must remember too that all the men writing their interrogation reports said he took a bus all the way and/or a bus and TRANSFER to his destination. Either way he would either 1) have used any transfer given to him or 2) did not ever get a transfer and was on the Marsalis bus the entire time (which stops a 10 min walk from his room at Marsalis and 5th)
More importantly is what FF YATES, McWATTERS and MILTON say about this man when the FBI finally gets around to writing a report on this activity in MARCH. 4+ months after the fact.
JONES has this man in a BLUE JACKET - 5'11" & 150lbs with only a possibility it was Oswald
McWATTERS recants his identification entirely - yet this peice of the pie seems not to have been mentioned very loudly
YATES tells us that he is unable to confirm which books McWatters had on Nov 22.
And finally... if Jones and McWatters are correct and it was NOT OSWALD, and he was wearing a blue jacket...
one wonders how she could see a hole in the elbow and 3 torn buttons when the faded grey work pants she ALSO described had been replaced by the almost black pair of arrest pants.
If one of the DPD cops were to help Bledsoe with her description of the shirt - looking at this image of 3 torn buttons, hole in the elbow and tucked into his pants, one might think she was helped along with her description... but those leaps of speculation are just that. How she could have seen the hole in the elbow while the man wore a jacket (even Whaley claimed he was wearing a blue jacket which matched his work clothing) remains a mystery.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there.
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt.
Mr. BALL - And unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is.
Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did he have anything on. Was the shirt open or was it buttoned?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; all the buttons torn off.
Mr. BALL - What did he have on underneath that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I don't know.
Mr. BALL - Do you know the color of any undershirt he had on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No.
Mr. BALL - Notice the color of his pants?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, they were gray, and they were all ragged in here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Around where?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - At the seam.
Mr. BALL - At the waist?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - At the waist, uh-huh.
Mr. BALL - Was the shirt tucked beneath the belt in his pants, or outside the belt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it in.
Mr. BALL - Had it tucked in?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No: it was tucked in.
Mr. BALL - So, that the belt of the pants was outside the shirt?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes; uh-huh.
A transfer - claimed to be in the pocket of the accused with a most dubious chain of possession and origination - is simply not enough corroborated evidence to conclude it was given to him. While the description sounds a lot like LEE and would definitely cause confusion... maybe it was LEE in the bus and our man Harvey getting into the Rambler... IDK
What I do know is the evidence does not support our little man Oswald on the McWatters bus. And Much like the majority of Mexico City evidence, the simple and standard records which would corroborate the evidence are gone with no explanation and even less consideration for the truth.
(edit: it took McWatters less than 2 weeks to reconsider what he had said in WC testimony yet he lived months with the knowledge about who he identified as on his bus Nov 22. Does this suggest that McWatters was somehow "motivated" to identify #2 man Oswald or it was so obvious that Oswald was the one suspect in the line, he went along. How Bledsoe could know details of a shirt Oswald had yet on put on - or why his work shirt would have three torn buttons, just the same as his arrest shirt... is also a mystery)
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter