Thoughts on a bus trip

[David Josephs]

I have a question for Alan: Why is putting Oswald on a bus for a couple of minutes, when he doesn't go anywhere, a prerequisite to proving that Oswald shot Tippet? Conversely, how does proving Oswald didn't get on the bus make him innocent of Tippet's murder?

And here we are at the crux of the matter.

A very good question Drew.... as you mentioned, Craig sees "Oswald" leave by getting into a Rambler with what appears to be Cubans as do a few other witnesses.

Still other witnesses state they see Ruby handing Oswald a pistol outside the TSBD.

If Oswald is said to have left, walked away from the building down Elm to only get on and off a bus we can effectively discount any other sightings of Oswald leaving and more specifically remove from consideration that Oswald had help and was therefore not a Lone anything.

From the time the murder occurs until the finding of this "evidence" Oswald goes from someone involved in a conspiracy to someone not.
He could not have rec'd any help via car rides or any other nefarious connections - which is why it is stated that there was no relationship between Ruby and Oswald or Bannister and Oswald even though we both know there was a very specific relationship going on there.

What irks me most here my friend is your tautological question: "how does proving Oswald didn't get on the bus make him innocent of Tippet's murder?"

One thing has nothing to do with the other except in your question which presupposes the answer within the asking.

Oswald is innocent of the Tippit murder for a whole slew of proveably authentic reasons, none of which having to do with this created bus ride.

The Maraslis bus, McWatters', was delayed in Dealey for some time. Milton Jones says about an hour so it is not possible that Oswald rode that bus to his destination - yet the interrogation reports say he said he took a bus home, he took a bus to the theater - that is until Fritz reminds him about a cab - and the info changes.

The BECKLEY bus, which also travels along Elm and out past the Underpass, stops just outside 1026 Beckley. Whether he was on that bus and it got out of DP before the police shut it down is unknown.
It is simply suggested by the evidence offered.

Drew...

Let's agree on something please... If three black men with bats ran up and killed JFK as the limo stopped on Elm, the EVIDENCE would still show on the surface that Oswald did it. I'm being slightly obtuse but you get my point.

Oswald did not kill JFK or Tippit yet the Evidence we are offered does its best to show he did. When this evidence's surface is scratched in even the most simple way, the evidence is shown for what it is... worthless regarding the event and worth its weight in gold in proving Oswald's guilt... despite it not being true.

On the weekend that Oswald is impersonated in Mexico, he is also at the Sports Drome in Dallas leaving incriminating evidence so witnesses remember a scoped Italilan rifle and a man calling himself Oswald...
This was Sept 28th.

I've been at this too long and have dug into too many different subjects not to see the pattern.... or to ignore some of the most blatant disregards for honesty and justice ever seen.

Believe me Drew, if there was any authentic "Oswald did it" evidence I'd have found it by now.



That we don't understand the reasons why or the consequences of these activities does not change the rule of law or whether an item of evidence is authentic
and it seems you are wrapped up in everything being directly related.... the Autopsy report was changed no less than 3 times and STILL not changed as of January 27, 1964 when at Exec Session Rankin refers to apassage which simply does not exist within the extant report.

You really believe it was beyond this apparatus to fabricate evidence and backstory so that every single action and utterance from Oswald led to his popular opinion guilt?

Why did they fabricate the bus trip? To 1) cover for some other means of Oswald getting home and 2) to help discredit any witnesses like Craig who claim he was involved with others.
That's what I see in the mountains of evidence in this case...

The US intelligence services had been performing assassinations for years... what you;ll find is once they find somethingf that works, they stay with it.

Doubles and Triples, confusion and back story, inside help and evidence manipulation.... Swearingen's book on the FBI, Vince on the SS and Larry's NEXUS are important reads to understand the reality versus the perception.

Whether this memo is to correct the FBI/SS info so it convicts Oswald rather than shows a conspiracy, or proves that Oswald could not have done this when they were tryin to prove he did is unknown...
What is know, or at least apparent to me, is that this following sentence, 5 months after Katzenbach's memo betrays the cover-up.

Our intention is not to establish the point with complete accuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesis which underlies the conclusions that Oswald was the sole assassin.

April 27, 1964

MEMORANDUM

TO: J. Lee Rankin

FROM: Norman Redlich


The purpose of this memorandum is to explain the reasons why
certain members of the staff feel that it is important to take certain
on-site photographs in connection with the location of the approximate
points at which the three bullets struck the occupants of the
Presidentiallimousine.

Our report presumably will state that the President was hit by
the first bullet, Governor Connally by the second, and the President
by the third and fatal bullet. The report will also conclude that the
bullets were fired by one person located in the sixth floor southeast
corner window of the TSBD building.

As our investigation now stands,however, we have not shown
that these events could possibly have occurred in the manner suggested
above. All we have is a reasonable hypothesis whichappears to be
supportedby the medical testimony but which has not been checked out
againstthe physical facts at the scene of the assassination.

Our examination of the Zapruder filmsshows that the fatal
third shot struck the President at a point which we can locate with
reasonableaccuracy on the ground. We can do this because we know the
exact frame (no. 313) in the film at which the third shot hit the
President and we know the location of the photographer. By lining up
fixed objects in the movie frame where this shot occurs we feel that
we have determined the approximate location of this shot. This can be
verified by a photo of the same spot from the point where Zapruder was
standing.

We have the testimony of Governor and Mrs. Connally that the
Governor was hit with the second bullet at a point which we probably
cannot fix with precision. We feel we have established, however, with
the help of medical testimony, that the shot which hit the Governor
did not come after frame 240 on the Zapruder film. The governor feels
that it came around 230, which is certainly consistent with our
observations of the film and with the doctor's testimony. Since the
President was shot at frame 313, this would leave a time of at least 4
seconds between the two shots, certainly ample for even an
inexperienced marksman.

Prior to our last viewing of the films with Governor Connally
wehad assumed that the President was hit while he was concealed
behind the sign which occurs between frames 215-225. We have expert
testimony to the effect that a skilled marksman would require a
minimum 2 seconds between shots with this rifle. Since the camera
operates at 18 1/3 frames per second, there would have to be a minimum
of 40 frames between shots. It is apparent,therefore, that if
Governor Connally was even as late as frame 240, the President would
have to have been hit no later than frame 190 and probably even
earlier.

We have not yet examined the assassination scene to determine
whether theassassin in fact could have shot the President prior to
frame 190. We could locate the position on the groundwhich
corresponds to this frame and it would then be our intent to establish
by photography that the assassin would have fired the first shot at the
President prior to this point. Our intention is not to establishthe
point with completeaccuracy, but merely to substantiate the
hypothesis which underlies the conclusionsthatOswald was the sole
assassin.

I had always assumed that our finalreport would be
accompanied by a surveyor's diagram which would indicate the
approximate location of the three shots. We certainly cannot prepare
such a diagram without establishing that we are describing an
occurrence which is physically possible. Our failure to do this will,
in my opinion, place this Report in jeopardy since it is a certainty
that others will examine the Zapruder films and raise the same
questions which have been raised by our examination of the films. If
we do not attempt to answer these observable facts, others may answer
them with facts which challenge our most basic assumptions, or with
fanciful theories based on our unwillingness to test our assumptions
by the investigatory methods available to us.

I should add that the facts which we now have in our
possession,submitted to us in separate reports from the FBI and
Secret Service, are totally incorrect and, if left uncorrected, will
present acompletely misleading picture.

It may well be that this project should be undertaken by the
FBI and Secret Servicewith our assistance instead of being done as a
staff project. The important thing is that the project beundertaken
expeditiously.