15-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Thanks for bumping this, Albert. Some of your points are most worthy of consideration.
Possible, I guess. But the depth of the planning of Dallas is enough to convince me that, absent proof to the contrary, it was always to be Dallas.
Too much hung in the balance for a "he'll do" fallback.
Besides, what was the rush?
Players at this level engaged in operations of such consequence do not deal in "loosely-arranged last minute alternate" operations.
Again, this is antithetical to everything we know about the manner in which such a mega-important, mega-dangerous operation would be carried out.
Here's the fatal flaw of your very well-imagined scenario (again, absolutely in keeping with the kind of thinking I'm encouraging with my own hypotheses threads). Under no circumstances can I be lead to accept that the master Facilitators of the JFK attack suddenly had light bulbs go off, experienced a joint eureka! moment, and exclaimed, "Wait just a minute ... if we do this in Dallas, we could False Sponsor what's his name ... the veep ... he's from Texas, right?"
Now we're getting somewhere. Very nicely played.
Charles
Albert Doyle Wrote:Nagell blows the Washington DC plot by mailing a warning to Hoover. CIA panics and cancels the DC plot. CIA then regroups and forms an emergency plan.
Possible, I guess. But the depth of the planning of Dallas is enough to convince me that, absent proof to the contrary, it was always to be Dallas.
Albert Doyle Wrote:The Vallee plot is set-up as a failsafe in case Oswald gets caught after being exposed by an unpredictable loose cannon in Nagell. Vallee is not quite as sheep-dipped as Oswald but he'll do.
Too much hung in the balance for a "he'll do" fallback.
Besides, what was the rush?
Albert Doyle Wrote:In this panic a car registered to Lee Harvey Oswald is used in the plot as part of a loosely-arranged last minute alternate plan. It was just a prop that ended up being useful in the last minute need to get Vallee in place.
Players at this level engaged in operations of such consequence do not deal in "loosely-arranged last minute alternate" operations.
Albert Doyle Wrote:At the same time Oswald is still not caught so he's redirected to the Dallas plan and put into the Depository by his Paine CIA handlers. Johnson is not notified at this point. By November 2 the Nagell leak is contained. Oswald is deemed unthreatened and serviceable. CIA aborts Chicago and gives the all go for Dallas. The notice for the Dallas plan being a go is a telegram with the codeword "Lee" included.
Again, this is antithetical to everything we know about the manner in which such a mega-important, mega-dangerous operation would be carried out.
Albert Doyle Wrote:Once Dallas is chosen the plotters realize Johnson's political homeland can be used to advantage.
Here's the fatal flaw of your very well-imagined scenario (again, absolutely in keeping with the kind of thinking I'm encouraging with my own hypotheses threads). Under no circumstances can I be lead to accept that the master Facilitators of the JFK attack suddenly had light bulbs go off, experienced a joint eureka! moment, and exclaimed, "Wait just a minute ... if we do this in Dallas, we could False Sponsor what's his name ... the veep ... he's from Texas, right?"
Albert Doyle Wrote:A man doesn't duck from a plot he's in control of.
Now we're getting somewhere. Very nicely played.
Charles
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Co-Founder, Deep Politics Forum
If an individual, through either his own volition or events over which he had no control, found himself taking up residence in a country undefined by flags or physical borders, he could be assured of one immediate and abiding consequence: He was on his own, and solitude and loneliness would probably be his companions unto the grave.
-- James Lee Burke, Rain Gods
You can't blame the innocent, they are always guiltless. All you can do is control them or eliminate them. Innocence is a kind of insanity.
-- Graham Greene