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JFK and the Unspeakable: A conversation with James W. Douglass, Oliver Stone & Lisa Pease
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There has been a media mention, and through the following stories you can see from who, and where, and from which community groups the likely readers are.

An article from 2009, discussing (and interviewing) Cleveland council candidate Rick Nagin. I've bold-typed a sentence within the interview that seems pertinent.

Quote:CLEVELAND COUNCIL CANDIDATE RICK NAGIN ESCHEWS COMMUNIST TAG

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/09/...te_ri.html

September 28th, 2009

For years, Rick Nagin had been dismissed as a fringe contender, a communist on a decades-long pursuit of public office. But all that changed this month when Nagin was one of two candidates to emerge from a contentious City Council primary in Cleveland's Ward 14 to notch his first political victory.

Nagin combined with Brian Cummins, whose Ward 15 seat was chopped in a council downsizing, to beat incumbent Joe Santiago, former Councilman Nelson Cintron Jr. and three others. A strong second-place finish earned Nagin a spot in a Nov. 3 runoff against Cummins.

The possibility of a Nagin win -- greater than ever before -- presents perhaps the most fascinating storyline in this fall's mayoral and council elections. If Nagin defeats Cummins, he will be the first known communist to serve on Cleveland's council, at least in recent memory.

The historical significance is not lost on Nagin, who would fulfill a goal he said was inspired in the 1970s by Communist Party USA standard-bearer Gus Hall. Yet at times in his latest campaign, Nagin has seemed unprepared or unhappy to discuss his beliefs.

He writes for the party's newspaper -- his most recent article, about a labor rally, appeared in May -- but complains when the word "communist" appears by his name in The Plain Dealer. In a recent interview that he was reluctant to grant, he equated the word with a racial slur.

"It's an epithet in this country," said Nagin, 68. "Like using the 'n' word."

Nagin even suggests that the Communist Party he joined 39 years ago needs a new name.

Cummins wonders if Nagin is trying to obscure a potentially hot-button topic.

"It's a fair issue as it pertains to a candidate's professional experience," said Cummins, adding that he will seek to draw contrasts between his r sum and Nagin's.

Turn toward the left

Council elections in Cleveland are nonpartisan, but Nagin repeatedly reminds voters that he is a registered Democrat. He flaunts his ties to organized labor and to U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a Cleveland Democrat whose campaigns Nagin has worked on as a volunteer.

When communism questions come up, Nagin prefers to characterize himself as for the working people and against corporate greed. When the Hispanic newspaper El Sol de Cleveland asked Nagin if he was a communist or socialist, he noted that a Rasmussen poll this year showed that 30 percent of Democrats believe in socialism, "as I do."

Nagin, in his recent interview, said his migration to the far left began in the 1960s.

John F. Kennedy's presidency and the Vietnam War were defining moments of Nagin's years studying science at Harvard University and Rockefeller University in New York. Kennedy's assassination, he said, "really drove home to me the right-wing danger in this country."

Nagin was obsessed with stopping the war and curious about socialism. The war, he thought, was "really to extend corporate capitalism to southeast Asia" and "a threat to democracy in the U.S." He began reading communist publications after receiving one at a peace rally.

Leaving behind his biochemistry degree and doctorate in biology, Nagin joined the Communist Party in 1970 and began writing for its newspaper, known today as the People's Weekly World.

Nagin's party involvement led him to Cleveland, where communists hoped to gain traction with steelworkers. It also led him to Gus Hall, the party's leader, who had become a perennial candidate for president. Nagin covered the campaigns.

"I was just fascinated with how he was able to talk about these progressive programs -- things we talk about today -- national health care, public-works programs," Nagin said.
In 1980, Hall recruited Nagin, who had become Ohio Communist Party chairman, for a national slate of communist candidates. Nagin made the U.S. Senate ballot as an independent and received more than 40,000 votes in his race against John Glenn, the incumbent Democrat.

Nagin was encouraged. A year later, he challenged Cleveland Mayor George Voinovich, a Republican. His candidacy generated little interest, as did subsequent bids for the Ohio House.

"To me, it was a way of breaking down a lot of Cold War prejudices," Nagin said of his early, long-shot political campaigns. "At some point, I figured, I was going to have to connect with the people. I finally realized that I needed to run from the grass roots."

A foot in the door

Noticing a large influx of Puerto Ricans in his West Side Cleveland neighborhood, Nagin organized a voter registration drive for Hispanics. In 1989, he launched the first of three failed bids for the Ward 14 council seat. Eight years later, Cintron became the city's first Hispanic councilman and chose Nagin, one of his opponents, to be his City Hall aide.

Nagin resigned as head of the Ohio Communist Party to take the council job. He served as Cintron's go-to guy for seven years before being fired because he had begun to assemble a campaign to seek the Ward 15 council seat without the blessing of council leaders.

As in previous council races, Nagin failed to finish first or second and emerge from the primary. He placed third behind incumbent Emily Lipovan and Cummins, the eventual winner.

Nagin's candidacy this year for the Ward 14 seat surprised some. Cintron, his former boss and ally, had been ousted four years earlier by Joe Santiago and was seeking a comeback.

But Nagin said redrawn ward boundaries convinced him that this might be his year. His Brooklyn Centre neighborhood, part of the old Ward 15, is being tucked into a new Ward 14. He beat Cummins in those precincts in the 2005 primary. And he believes that Hispanic voters familiar with him from his role as Cintron's aide have tired of Cintron and Santiago.

Soon, opponents realized that Nagin no longer was an also-ran. He was a heavyweight.

His years of work on behalf of organized labor scored him a second straight endorsement from the North Shore Federation of Labor. He picked up support from other organized-labor interests as well as several key Hispanic activists. Nagin yard signs appeared overnight in large numbers.

Harriet Applegate, executive secretary of the local AFL-CIO chapter, said Nagin was a paid political coordinator for the group during the 2006 elections and volunteered in 2008.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's loyalty to someone who has paid his dues," Applegate said of the Nagin endorsement. "It appears to me that he has a better chance this time than last time."

Nagin also trumpets an endorsement he said he received last month from Kucinich, the influential West Side congressman. But Kucinich has not responded to requests to discuss or even confirm his support. He caught flak in the 1990s for allowing Nagin to be a volunteer.

Long road not over

What explains Nagin's rise after so many years?

Perhaps Nagin has stuck around long enough that voters uneasy with the thought of a communist representative have warmed to the idea. Maybe, as he likes to believe, the country's political mood is shifting to the left with the election last fall of Barack Obama as president.

"I think it's significant," Nagin said of a communist being a viable council candidate in a large city. But, he says: "This is not a party campaign. I am a coalition candidate."
Even so, his candidacy has excited other communists.

Part of the $6,650 in campaign contributions that Nagin disclosed before the primary came from people whose names appear as writers or subjects in the People's Weekly World.

Wallace Kaufman, who replaced Nagin as chairman of the Ohio Communist Party, gave Nagin $1,000. Another $700 came from William Mackovich, a retired steelworker from Chicago who this year pledged his $250 federal stimulus check to the communist newspaper.

"He's always been fighting for working people," Mackovich said in a phone interview. "It's a different ballgame today. You tell people that you're a communist, they say, 'So what?' "

Nagin also received $100 from someone whose family name is synonymous with capitalism: David Rockefeller Jr. Nagin attended prep school with the great-grandson of the oil baron.

Cummins believes Nagin's success is largely attributable to name recognition attained after years of appearing on ballots in West Side precincts. Voters may be past the communist issue, but Cummins said that will not stop him from comparing his record with Nagin's.

As both a Democrat and member of the Green Party, Cummins acknowledges sharing common ground with Nagin in that both have "not been satisfied with the two-party system."

But that is where the similarities end. Cummins is researching old news articles that Nagin has been quoted in, as well as pieces he has written for the People's Weekly World. To draw a contrast, Cummins cited a 1990 interview in which Nagin discussed his communist views.

"In 1990," Cummins said, "I was going overseas for the Peace Corps."

Others are unsure how Nagin's politics will play.

"That's up to the voters to decide," Applegate said.

Asked if Nagin's beliefs might affect which council committee assignments he receives if elected, Council President Martin J. Sweeney said he would need to know more about Nagin.

All 19 council members elected for new terms this year are likely to be Democrats, but Nagin acknowledges that he probably would lean further to the left than his colleagues.
And though he also acknowledges that a victory would hearten those who share his ideals, Nagin does not wish to be known as the "communist councilman" if he wins Nov. 3.
"There has been 50 years of Cold War propaganda that has demonized the word 'communist,' " he said. "In the minds of American people, they think communist means that I'm un-American, unpatriotic, anti-democracy. People have no idea what it is, what it stands for.

"My philosophy is that I'm on the side of working-class people."

The video at the next link shows Nagin at the beginning of his campaign. To my eyes, he exudes tremendous honesty and sympathetic appeal. Watch the clip and take note of the community members he notes he has strong ties with - local workers, the labour movement and the Hispanic community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV1JGmCryeM

Nagin is a correspondent for PEOPLE'S WORD, which lists itself as being a direct descendant of the leftwing newsletter DAILY WORKER.

http://peoplesworld.org/about-us

Nagin has written for the paper since 1970, and I imagine would have a solid readership among the aforementioned communities that follows his comments.

On July 6th (two days ago as I type), Nagin posted the following article under his own byline. His article (linked below) allows further comments on the website from readers.


Quote:"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE" is "convincing portrait" of Kennedy

by Rick Nagin, July 6th 2015

http://peoplesworld.org/jfk-and-the-unsp...f-kennedy/

There have been many books written about the assassination of President Kennedy, so many, generating so much bewildering debate, in fact, that many people have given up trying to understand the event and its significance. But despite all that, I want to recommend without reservation this book by a Catholic theologian and peace activist, which is unique in many respects and provides an education that all supporters of peace and progress need as we struggle to overcome the danger of right-wing extremism.

This is the only book on the assassination recommended by the Kennedy family: "It has distilled all the best available research into a very well-documented and convincing portrait of president Kennedy's transforming turn to peace, at the cost of his life.... I urge all Americans to read this book," writes Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

It is also strongly endorsed by Daniel Ellsberg, Marcus Raskin, Oliver Stone, and Gaeton Fonzie, staff investigator for the U.S. House Committee on Assassinations, who stated it is "by far the most important book yet written on the subject."

Simply put, the book demonstrates beyond doubt that Kennedy was killed by the CIA with the help of right-wing Cuban emigrees and the support of extremist forces in the Pentagon, the State Department and possibly other elements of U.S. corporate power, who recognized that Kennedy was moving towards a radical break with the fundamental principles and policies of the Cold War. He was seen as a traitor, who had to be stopped before he could implement his plans.

This book not only documents in fascinating detail how Kennedy was killed but, more importantly, it describes the historical and political context, the reasons why he was murdered.

It is a devastating indictment of the Cold War and exposes the insane drive of its perpetrators in the CIA and the Pentagon for a first strike nuclear attack on Cuba and the USSR.

The book also exposes the massive cover-up of the truth as the FBI, the corporate media, and various public officials promoted the official story of the Warren Commission that the President was killed by a lone assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, allegedly motivated by Communist loyalties and possibly even abetted by Cuba and the Soviet Union.

The Kennedy family never believed this tale and sent a letter to Soviet Premier Nikita Khruschev saying they recognized it was not Communists, but a right-wing conspiracy who were responsible. Douglass shows that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and President Lyndon Johnson also dismissed this story as a CIA fabrication, but nonetheless cooperated with the cover-up because they were deeply committed to continue the Cold War.

For the millions subsequently slaughtered in Vietnam, Indonesia, and elsewhere, the militarist policies of the CIA and the Pentagon were anything but cold. Douglass shows how this orgy of mass murder was unleashed by the assassination and gives a sense for us today of the dangerous forces still embedded in the foreign policy establishment of U. S. imperialism, which is why this book is so important.
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Quote:"It has distilled all the best available research into a very well-documented and convincing portrait of president Kennedy's transforming turn to peace, at the cost of his life.... I urge all Americans to read this book," writes Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

That's more than enough to get a Kennedy killed, saying things like that!.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Well, I hate to say this since I gave the book a very laudatory review, but today I think the main thesis of the book is incorrect.

Especially in the mass market trade paper advertising.

Today, after doing some research and coalescing that with the most current studies of JFK's foreign policy, I don't think there was really any serious "turning" of Kennedy after the Missile Crisis.

In my studied opinion, Kennedy's foreign policy ideas were pretty much set by 1960. This is when he became the unofficial Ambassador to Africa for the US Senate, and he mentioned Africa something like 479 times during the campaign.

And if you study what he did upon entering office, you will see that he began to overturn the Dulles/Eisenhower policies almost immediately.

The problem is that in the JFK research community all that anyone talks about are Cuba and Vietnam. And everyone ignores the rest of the globe. So we missed the forest for the trees.

Kennedy's foreign policy was the most radical and forward leaning since FDR. And no one has come even close to him since.
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"Radical and forward leaning" sounds kinda dangerous, and I doubt, in the 60's, that the word "kinda" would have been used. Are we leaning into an intuitive understanding here?
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
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Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Well, I hate to say this since I gave the book a very laudatory review, but today I think the main thesis of the book is incorrect.

Especially in the mass market trade paper advertising.

Today, after doing some research and coalescing that with the most current studies of JFK's foreign policy, I don't think there was really any serious "turning" of Kennedy after the Missile Crisis.

In my studied opinion, Kennedy's foreign policy ideas were pretty much set by 1960. This is when he became the unofficial Ambassador to Africa for the US Senate, and he mentioned Africa something like 479 times during the campaign.

And if you study what he did upon entering office, you will see that he began to overturn the Dulles/Eisenhower policies almost immediately.

The problem is that in the JFK research community all that anyone talks about are Cuba and Vietnam. And everyone ignores the rest of the globe. So we missed the forest for the trees.

Kennedy's foreign policy was the most radical and forward leaning since FDR. And no one has come even close to him since.


I know that you and Jim Douglass differ on just WHEN JFK "turned" toward peace, but really Jim, the relevant thing here is not when he turned but that he did so and it cost him his life. Just because Douglass did not use the exact same sources you did regarding JFK's foreign policy, we have his debates and his cold warrior stance prior to his election. And once in office all that changed. I do not think that the fact that you can show JFK was deeply anti war well before he became president does anything to harm the importance of Douglass' masterful book.

Dawn
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Drew Phipps Wrote:"Radical and forward leaning" sounds kinda dangerous, and I doubt, in the 60's, that the word "kinda" would have been used. Are we leaning into an intuitive understanding here?

http://www.ctka.net/2014/JFKForeignPolicy.html

Nothing intuitive about it Drew. As you can see from the above. Its all documented and in the record.

When you literally overturn your predecessor in say about 8 different places all over the globe, and you endanger your relationships with your European allies in order to strengthen or liberate godforsaken places like Indonesia, Congo, and various spots in Africa, then that is radical and forward leaning.

Not to mention in the part 2 above which shows how his followers reversed JFK's policy in the Middle East, which was to favor Nasser over Saudi Arabia and not to let Israel have atomic weapons.

Unfortunately, all of these were overturned in about 18 months after the assassination. That is how radical they were.

You don't do things like this because you were "turned" by the Missile Crisis.
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I think a lot of people confuse his relatively hawkish speeches in 1960-62 with his actual policies. Ironically, right-wing critics of the time pointed out the huge gulf between his tough talk and his "soft" actions.

He was a smart enough politician to know he was doing a balancing act between the Hawks in both parties, and his own desire to change things. He had conservative Southern Democrats controlling Congressional committees, Cold War fanatics like Hoover, Dulles, LeMay, etc., and a public that had been brainwashed for 15 years into fearing the "Reds." He had to play his cards carefully and often secretly.
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#28
I agree Tracy.

JFK was like a juggler in that regard.

Great example is what he did with McNamara on Vietnam. He secretly made him his point man.

And Bundy did not even know about it. JFK cut him out of the loop because he knew he was too hawkish.

Bundy later admitted this in the Goldstein book.
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