The Great JFK Debate: Jim Fetzer vs. Gary Mack

[Bernice Moore]

thanks Greg..i had a specific happening in mind, and anything personal as far as i knew was deleted and or xd out, and only the research material pertaining to a specific area was allowed to be posted, but there were still complaints, i think until whomever complains, is put into the same position, they will perhaps overlook the value of the research that is to be passed along.just some thoughts..stay well. best beans:popcorn:

[Bernice Moore]

Thankyou Charles, and also especially for ''"Gary Mack" -- the walking, talking definition of "full of shit.":rofl::lol::rofl: love it...b

[Dawn Meredith]

Greg Dawn; i agree, if what i take such as being personal information within an email, but what if it relates to research and is re the assassinations...?? just a thought...take care b..

Mine only related to the argument my friend and I had, nothing about research, the argument had to do with the other friend, the one who ultimately posted it. We are still good friends too, but I was upset that a private email turned up on a public forum.
Dawn

[Greg Burnham]

thanks Greg..i had a specific happening in mind, and anything personal as far as i knew was deleted and or xd out, and only the research material pertaining to a specific area was allowed to be posted, but there were still complaints, i think until whomever complains, is put into the same position, they will perhaps overlook the value of the research that is to be passed along.just some thoughts..stay well. best beans:popcorn:

I have publicly posted a whole lot of information that I received from Fletcher Prouty over the years. However, it was always with his express permission, indeed his encouragement, that I do so.
I have posted a ton of information that I obtained through hours of recorded conversations with my late compadre Gerry Hemming, with his blessing...sometimes anonymously sometime attributed.
I also posted a lot of information that I received from J Harrison over the years. It was always with his blessing--and--it was always posted without naming him as the source at his request. In
fact, much of the information that I used in my article: "The Amazing Web of Abraham Zapruder" -- which has received a ton of traction was confirmed by J, anonymously, at his request.

Anyway, Beans--good to see you here again, my friend. Take care, best...

[edit] Just for clarification, J told me that he only required anonymity on the de Mohrenschildt info while he was still alive else I would not have mentioned him here.

[Russ LaChapelle]

The more we understand, the more we understand

The less we understand, the less we understand

If you understand the metamorphic nature of the timeline attached to the research of this case, it becomes illuminated with the why of that liken to a tennis match.

It was seen before it became, patternmatic, in phases.... someone was and is now, watching

It is a competition of continueousness

Its plan was concieved, tested, and put in place by design.

Someone call a plumber, we've been sucked down a drain

We must carry each other, carry each other

One

[Charles Drago]

Stating the obvious with an air of discovery -- even in the form of post-modern blank verse doggerel -- remains stating the obvious with the air of discovery.

For accomplished poetic expressions of deep political observations, see Peter Dale Scott's Seculum trilogy: Coming to Jakarta: A Poem About Terror (1989), Listening to the Candle: A Poem on Impulse (1992), and Minding the Darkness: A Poem for the Year 2000, and Crossing Borders: Selected Shorter Poems.

[Greg Burnham]

Stating the obvious with an air of discovery -- even in the form of post-modern blank verse doggerel -- remains stating the obvious with the air of discovery.

For accomplished poetic expressions of deep political observations, see Peter Dale Scott's Seculum trilogy: Coming to Jakarta: A Poem About Terror (1989), Listening to the Candle: A Poem on Impulse (1992), and Minding the Darkness: A Poem for the Year 2000, and Crossing Borders: Selected Shorter Poems.

Agreed, Charles.

Also see: Nearly any of the Collected Works of Phil Dragoo...posted on the DPF.

[Lauren Johnson]

The more we understand, the more we understand

The less we understand, the less we understand

If you understand the metamorphic nature of the timeline attached to the research of this case, it becomes illuminated with the why of that liken to a tennis match.

It was seen before it became, patternmatic, in phases.... someone was and is now, watching

It is a competition of continueousness

Its plan was concieved, tested, and put in place by design.

Someone call a plumber, we've been sucked down a drain

We must carry each other, carry each other

One

Russ, I remember when I took a creative writing class. Fortunately, I realized the truth and quit. I know it hurts to just quit, sometimes its just the best way for all concerned.

[Russ LaChapelle]

[quote=Russ LaChapelle]Russ, I remember when I took a creative writing class. Fortunately, I realized the truth and quit. I know it hurts to just quit, sometimes its just the best way for all concerned.

Lauren...

Thank you so very much for this reply. I have been praying on my knees and crossing my fingers for it or something like it to be placed thus documented.


I know this case and have since the age of eight when I, with my father present parked my little butt four feet in front of our 19 inch Philco B & W and watched Jack Ruby shoot Lee Oswald. From that point, this impression carried into other aspects of those things considered a part of my life. My Grandmother, from Buzzards Bay, Cape Cod, MA, worked at the Falmouth Nursing Home, Falmouth, Cape Cod, MA in a time were the Kennedy boys would invade, in their youth, her place of employment. Her vantage placed within her a sense of what they were, well before all this JFK assassination chicanery could have even been dreamed of. She transfered onto me, this impression and with this action, my life has studied it, to this day.

I began reading the Warren Commission Report, one week before my tenth birthday as a graduation from my prior digestion of Nancy Drew mysteries. My Grandmother loved them boys and the way their appearances touched the home's residents. There was a certain intangible within their character which was distinct and with this a message sent, also intangible. When my Grandmother recieved the second section of the Report, I had already started to digest the first publication, the front end, if you will of the entire. Although it never hit me because of my age at that time, something began to grow within. The exhibits in the second, began to answer the questions which I couldn't make sense of. As I carried on, I would back and forth between them with method which was placed within by consumption of Nancy Drew. Through this youtful effort, I came to the something wrong.


As time has gone along, I have found myself well placed to observe, with my Grandmother's insight still by my side, the times we all live within. This vantage is something I share, and very willing do so with method derived from this source. I use this method to create other method also to expose those aspects as what they are. I use every tool I can muster to develop thought within others. It is in the manner of their replies, in which my concerns are illuminated. I do not do this with any sense of malice and only place the words seen here prior, to shine a light towards consideration of the essense of why this case has become what it is.

We have been placed, by design to a continue. This case is solved and those who know it well, understand at least that it is a such. I have become deeply troubled by more things outside this case than that which lies within. The subject of this thread: The Great Debate is where I come now. I use this itself as further to prove what we have become.

I have never spoken with James Fetzer but sense a conversation between us would be quite enjoyable. I have spoken with Gary Mack. Gary first taped me on the shoulder with a PM I recieved as a member of Robert Harris's JFK History Forum. On this forum, I am known as YellowBirch1. This my first forum membership, started about two weeks after Robert Harris created it, July 2010. I came there then, with the knowledge necessary to communicate the who, what, where and how of this case. At that time, I felt that I could place the necessary evidence and information there and shut that forum down in short order. This again was nothing malicious on my part and cite my method as example of proof. With the use of three men, in and around Bethesda, a foundation to solve this case becomes easy to do.

Guess what? I am stiil at Robert Harris's JFK History Forum and only now am I bringing this all together when I know it should and could have taken only three months.

Need I say more? Well sure I should. But, I would rather hear us all admit what this whole thing has become after looking within ourselves first. From that, it is will be courage displayed and then the action taken by those who have contributed blind from this premise I make here.

Will this continue?

On a final, I would like to thank Phil Dragoo, who I do not know for handing me a tool from his belt. I accepted this tool passed invisibly, made modifications of it and have made great use of it.

[Jan Klimkowski]

There is a kind of laughter that sickens the soul.

Laughter when it is out of control: when it screams and stamps its feet, and sets the bells jangling in the next town.

Laughter in all its ignorance and cruelty. Laughter with the seed of Satan in it.

It tramples upon shrines; the belly-roarer. It roars, it yells, it is delirious: and yet it is as cold as ice.

It has no humour.

It is naked noise and naked malice.