05-01-2016, 06:00 PM
Drew Phipps Wrote:I found Mannning's book and downloaded it for subsequent reading. I'm reading "Devil's Chessboard" now.
I gotta say this up front: Just because someone told Manning that Bormann was alive doesn't make it so. There were undoubtedly high ranking Nazis that made it out of Germany alive. Some of them had help from the US government. That doesn't mean Bormann was one of them.
I have been watching with interest, and an open mind, the Hunting Hitler series on the History Channel (even though it's based on a book by Corsi). Telling people that Hitler, and Bormann, and/or others are still alive might simply serve to generate some "geheimnisBehörde" for people claiming to be the heirs of the Nazi ideology (or their loot).
If it were just Manning I wouldn't have posted as I did - even though I regard him very highly and ddon't for a second doubt his integrity and journalistic skills and instincts. What I would do is recommend you add to your reading list William Stevenson's The Bormann Brotherhood also. Stevenson, like Manning were old school journalists where they double checked and triple checked sources and had access to information unknown to or unseen by others. They lived in an age where their name and reputation was sacrosanct. Manning, for example, was the first person to publish anything about the critical meeting at the 10th August 1944 Maison Rouge Hotel meeting, a Bormann directed meeting btw, to discuss ways to initiate the Nazi capital flight programme for the Fourth Reich. Stevenson, in his book, also elaborates on this but interviews in Jakarta, Hjelmer Schacht, who tells him that the new Brotherhood no longer have an interest in prosecuting a military strategy but believe that a financial and economic strategy is the way ahead for their future.
Meanwhile, another book well worth reading and one that has a direct relationship to this thread is Ladislas Farago's Martin Bormann and the Fourth Reich. Farago was a very highly respected historian and deeply researched his book and came to the same conclusion as Stevenson and Manning - and also Hugh Thomas who also comes to the same conclusion in his Himmler book.
However, Farago made one understandable mistake, given the time period involved, which turned out to be critical and resulted in his whole reputation being ruined. He trusted Allen Dulles. Dulles gave Farago a photo of what he said was Bormann resting in a chair in Argentina post WWII. Farago published it is his book and it was soon proved to be a fake. Obviously, all his other solid evidence he presented was completely ignored after that.
It now seems evident looking back on this episode that Dulles having framed Farago, then snapped the trap shut on his "little mouse" by letting it be known that the photo he supplied was fake, thus discrediting Farago and his book on Bormann's survival. Farago was ruined.
Nice guy that Dulles. And for anyone who has read the book featured in this thread then it is clear - at least to me anyway - that Dulles had something to hide, and it suggests that like Himmler who he was apparently helping to escape at the end of the war (an idea supported by Hugh Thomas as I mentioned earlier) he probably was aiding Bormann too. Or at least had a hand in that. I say this because the notes from the Maison Rouge Hotel meeting makes it clear that the Nazis wide circle of international friends were to be used to aid them in their post war plans. And Dulles very clearly was one of those international friends and as David Talbot makes clear, had a habit of losing files and evidence on Nazis in order to downplay their war crimes and also to smokescreen his close involvement with so many of them.
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On Hunting Hitler I was disappointed with the last episode which spluttered out meekly with a sense of not being fully finished with facts and leads unsaid. It made me wonder if funding had been pulled or the History Channel stepped on it. Just my conjecture obviously, but I've personally seen this sort of thing happen in regard to British made documentaries on highly sensitive subjects where the evidence is ironclad but the Broadcasters will to broadcast goes missing once they understand all the implications. Truth is a dangerous thing.
Personally, think the series was doing pretty well until that last episode, but that it would've been somewhat better had it focused on more of the evidence that Gerard Williams and Simon Dunstan developed in their book Grey Wolf, rather than focusing entirely on the FBI archive and using Corsi's book title. But there were some gems in it too.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14